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c/trialwatch·posted 1 year ago by u/sofia_wikstrom

[Lab] 4th independent test on BCH, and the trend is the interesting part

Discussion Long Haul ×9 Slow Clap ×2

Genuinely asking, not being difficult.

Everyone in c/bloodwork repeats that SELECT is important. I believe it, but I have never seen anyone show why, and when I search I get 11 threads of people agreeing with each other.

Is there a paper? Is there a measurement? Or is this one of those things that is true because it has been repeated since 2023?

I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.

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u/plateau_patrol169 points·1 year ago·edited

Phase 2 or phase 3?

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u/renal_outcomes_rMOD81 points·1 year ago

Tracking number removed. It identifies both ends of a shipment.

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u/yara_bakken95 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/week_one_wanda72 points·1 year ago

The practical rule people converge on is 28 days at fridge temperature after first puncture, and that comes from the preservative, not the peptide.

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u/sofia_wikstromOP45 points·1 year ago

SELECT reported a SURMOUNT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

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u/blunt_coldbox_notes33 points·1 year ago

SELECT reported a SURMOUNT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist18 points·1 year ago

Edit to your parent would help — the concentration you quoted assumes one scenario and you have written another above it.

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u/tomas_kimani9 points·1 year ago

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

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u/curious_panel_only28 points·1 year ago

SELECT reported a SURMOUNT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 2 weeks to accept.

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u/receipts_or_nothingvetting16 points·1 year ago

number-needed-to-treat is the house dialect

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u/draw_up_dizzy19 points·1 year ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/marit_laurent19 points·1 year ago

STEP, SURMOUNT, SURPASS, SELECT, FLOW, TRIUMPH — read the appendix

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u/sofia_wikstromOP43 points·1 year ago

Disagree but this is the good kind of wrong — it is specific enough to be checked.

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u/nayeli_fonseca43 points·1 year ago

SELECT reported a SURMOUNT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

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u/yannick_salinas14 points·1 year ago

SELECT reported a SELECT hazard ratio but the absolute event rate is what changes clinical practice.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist23 points·1 year ago

Crossposting this to c/glp1muscle because the people who need it are not reading this community.

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u/adaeze_weiss11 points·1 year ago

Crossposting this to c/glp1muscle because the people who need it are not reading this community.

Disagree on that part. 95.1% and 93.7% on the same vial is normal.

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u/renal_outcomes_rnephro-curious24 points·1 year ago

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/kaia_cabrera18 points·1 year ago

Phase 2 TRIUMPH looked amazing. Phase 3 trials are harder. Do not anchor on phase 2 readouts.

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u/anders_vermeulen7 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/adaeze_weiss11 points·1 year ago

Phase 2 TRIUMPH looked amazing. Phase 3 trials are harder. Do not anchor on phase 2 readouts.

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u/paper_trail_paulavetting3 points·1 year ago·edited

absolute risk reduction, not relative risk reduction, that is how you decide

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u/sofia_wikstromOP3 points·1 year ago

STEP 1 readout: 94.2% mean weight loss, absolute numbers matter. Spread around that mean is enormous.

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u/whois_wanda8 points·1 year ago
the PeptideMeter number or it did not happen
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u/ferran_dahlberg5 points·1 year ago

Which trial and what was the primary endpoint?

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u/nayeli_fonseca2 points·1 year ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/line_demir3 points·1 year ago

This is correct. Discontinuation arms show the regain reality.

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u/karl_fischer_kev1 point·1 year ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/hamza_weiss6 points·1 year ago

Inter-lab variance on this kind of assay is routinely 1–2 points. Different column, different gradient, different integration.

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