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c/retatrutide·posted 2 years ago by u/sofia_wikstrom

anyone else notice phase 2 kicking in around week 30

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Something I noticed reading old threads that I have not seen said out loud.

The advice on TRIUMPH in this community changed substantially around the start of last year, and nobody went back and updated the older posts. So depending on which thread the search engine hands you, you get two contradictory answers with the same confidence.

I have listed what I think the current consensus is below. Correct me — that is the point of posting it.

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u/reflux_report854 points·2 years ago·edited

Yeah, phase 2 retatrutide is interesting but it is not comparable to phase 3 compounds.

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u/honest_syringe33644 points·2 years ago

Yeah, phase 2 retatrutide is interesting but it is not comparable to phase 3 compounds.

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u/renzo_yildiz161 points·2 years ago

Rodent data is rodent data. Dose scaling is not linear and the models tell you what to investigate, not what to expect.

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u/fabio_lehtinen472 points·2 years ago

This is correct. Triple agonism is genuinely different.

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[deleted]341 points·2 years ago

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u/discount_math_dm131 points·2 years ago

No. This is the kind of confident post that gets copied into a screenshot and repeated for years. Where is the evidence.

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u/kavya_kravchenko90 points·2 years ago

the dosing is steep, the constipation reports are real, and nobody knows the human safety yet

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u/nadia_trevino56 points·2 years ago·edited

Not to be pedantic but triple agonist and glucagon are being used interchangeably and they are not interchangeable in real life.

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain0 points·2 years ago

I love that this community will spend 40 comments on a detail. That pedantry is why the numbers here matter.

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u/helga_vermeulen228 points·2 years ago

the dosing is steep, the constipation reports are real, and nobody knows the human safety yet

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u/hassan_nilsen342 points·2 years ago·edited

Yeah, phase 2 retatrutide is interesting but it is not comparable to phase 3 compounds.

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u/source_or_silence62 points·2 years ago

Slight fix: the number was 99.1, not 93.7. Decimal point, but a fairly consequential one.

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u/incretin_ivyMOD164 points·2 years ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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u/hassan_nilsen87 points·2 years ago·edited

Respectfully this is a sample of one presented as a finding.

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u/farid_molnar192 points·2 years ago

What was the dosing schedule in that arm?

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u/ledger_modmod · vetting144 points·2 years ago

retatrutide is not approved anywhere for human use, posts must not read as instructions

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u/viktor_laurent176 points·2 years ago

research use only, handling and analysis, not protocols

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u/isabela_nilsen133 points·2 years ago

research use only, handling and analysis, not protocols

Disagree on that part. 98.1% and 97.9% on the same vial is normal.

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u/customs_seizure_sid79 points·2 years ago·edited

heart rate and dose escalation need actual measurements, not impressions

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u/cold_chromatogram_only20 points·2 years ago

retatrutide is not approved anywhere for human use, posts must not read as instructions

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology114 points·2 years ago

The practical rule people converge on is 28 days at fridge temperature after first puncture, and that comes from the preservative, not the peptide.

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u/sofia_wikstromOP0 points·2 years ago

Dead space in the needle hub holds a small but non-trivial volume. On low-volume draws that can be several units.

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u/emil_agyeman1 point·2 years ago

TRIUMPH data is phase 2, not phase 3, smaller n and shorter

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u/sofia_wikstromOP1 point·2 years ago

This is correct. Triple agonism is genuinely different.

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u/deleted_my_history1 point·2 years ago

heart rate and dose escalation need actual measurements, not impressions

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u/hassan_nilsen1 point·2 years ago

the dosing is steep, the early fullness reports are real, and nobody knows the human safety yet

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u/quiet_moderatormod54 points·2 years ago

Which trial arm and what was the n?

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u/sofia_wikstrom84 points·2 years ago

The evidence standard in c/vendorvetting gets called too strict about once a month, and every time, the thread ends with the complainant agreeing.

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u/dead_space_doug20 points·2 years ago

research use only, handling and analysis, not protocols

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u/lane_watchermod · logistics49 points·2 years ago

TRIUMPH data is phase 2, not phase 3, smaller n and shorter

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