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c/trialwatch·posted 1 year ago by u/marit_laurent

anyone else notice SURPASS kicking in around week 19

Readout Well Actually ×7 Long Haul ×2 Receipts ×2

Genuinely asking, not being difficult.

Everyone in c/compounding repeats that hazard ratio is important. I believe it, but I have never seen anyone show why, and when I search I get 12 threads of people agreeing with each other.

Is there a paper? Is there a measurement? Or is this one of those things that is true because it has been repeated since 2023?

I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.

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u/kaia_cabrera375 points·1 year ago

I love that this community will spend 40 comments on a detail. That pedantry is why the numbers here matter.

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u/careful_gradient_again99 points·1 year ago

This is correct. Discontinuation arms show the regain reality.

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u/first_hundred261 points·1 year ago
the Medutest number or it did not happen
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u/formulary_fighterappeals207 points·1 year ago

the Medutest number or it did not happen

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/renal_outcomes_rMOD159 points·1 year ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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u/nhs_waitlist_nUK0 points·1 year ago

What was the dropout rate?

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u/hugo_norgaard-31 points·1 year ago

Which trial and what was the primary endpoint?

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u/marit_laurentOP1 point·1 year ago

SURMOUNT-4 discontinuation arm showed regain. That is the reality of a chronic disease treatment, not a failure.

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u/valeria_karlsen153 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/marit_laurentOP90 points·1 year ago

Edit to your parent would help — the concentration you quoted assumes one scenario and you have written another above it.

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u/plateau_patrol130 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/milan_villalobos89 points·1 year ago

Yeah, absolute numbers matter more than the press release.

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u/arne_ilunga31 points·1 year ago

Small correction: the trial was 5 weeks, not 18. Does not change your point but people will quote it.

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u/milan_mensah13 points·1 year ago

off-label use data is different from approved-indication data

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u/prior_auth_painappeals68 points·1 year ago

Dead space in the needle hub holds a small but non-trivial volume. On low-volume draws that can be several units.

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u/receipts_or_nothingvetting48 points·1 year ago

I love that this community will spend 40 comments on a detail. That pedantry is why the numbers here matter.

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u/ewan_tulloch31 points·1 year ago

This is correct. Discontinuation arms show the regain reality.

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