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c/trialwatch·posted 6 months ago by u/nordic_pricing

the hazard ratio thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

Discussion Clean Column ×2 Slow Clap ×1

STEP. That is the whole post, but I will justify it.

Everything else people worry about in c/orforglipron is downstream of it. Titration speed, early fullness, the endless dose arguments — most of it resolves if you sort STEP out first, and almost nobody does.

I say this having got it wrong for 8 months. My eGFR was the thing that eventually made me pay attention, which is a stupid way to learn a lesson that was in the sidebar the whole time.

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u/cesar_ivaturi360 points·6 months ago

This is correct. Discontinuation arms show the regain reality.

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u/hazard_ratio_halMOD213 points·6 months ago

Flair changed to match the content. Read the sidebar before posting next time and we are square.

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u/tomas_kimani51 points·6 months ago

dropout handling matters, especially on GI-heavy populations

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[deleted]37 points·6 months ago

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u/emil_agyeman18 points·6 months ago

This is the "correlation is mechanism" thing again. You changed three variables at once.

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u/iman_castellanos-6 points·6 months ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/nhs_waitlist_nUK1 point·6 months ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the FLOW endpoints

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u/receipts_or_nothingvetting1 point·6 months ago·edited

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/nhs_waitlist_nUK240 points·6 months ago
i wish i had read this 10 months ago
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u/adaeze_cabrera55 points·6 months ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the SURPASS endpoints

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u/milan_mensah34 points·6 months ago

the 20 week readout is different from the 16 week readout

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u/marit_laurent139 points·6 months ago

dropout handling matters, especially on GI-heavy populations

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u/yusuf_ramos93 points·6 months ago

Which trial and what was the primary endpoint?

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u/nordic_pricingOP68 points·6 months ago

STEP 1 readout: 98.6% mean weight loss, absolute numbers matter. Spread around that mean is enormous.

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u/nordic_pricingOP39 points·6 months ago

STEP 1 readout: 98.0% mean weight loss, absolute numbers matter. Spread around that mean is enormous.

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u/week_one_wanda45 points·6 months ago

Respectfully this is a sample of one presented as a finding.

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u/ewan_tulloch18 points·6 months ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/rulebook_rachaelmod · c/meta89 points·6 months ago

dropout handling matters, especially on GI-heavy populations

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 39 weeks to accept.

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u/iman_castellanos42 points·6 months ago

Edit to your parent would help — the concentration you quoted assumes one scenario and you have written another above it.

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u/bastian_ekstrom38 points·6 months ago

phase 2 is not phase 3, smaller n and shorter trial

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u/tomas_kimani15 points·6 months ago

the discontinuation arms are the interesting part, not the SURMOUNT endpoints

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u/heart_rate_bump112 points·6 months ago

the 24 week readout is different from the 32 week readout

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u/hugo_norgaard86 points·6 months ago

Strongly agree. Phase 2 is investigational, not conclusive.

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u/nils_tulloch103 points·6 months ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

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u/camila_vasquez38 points·6 months ago

give the trial name, phase, n, and primary endpoint in the body

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/tove_ogunleye64 points·6 months ago

press release hazard ratio posts must be flaired until a publication exists

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u/hugo_bergstrom45 points·6 months ago

event rates are more informative than hazard ratios alone

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u/annika_fonseca43 points·6 months ago

Phase 2 TRIUMPH looked amazing. Phase 3 trials are harder. Do not anchor on phase 2 readouts.

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u/nils_tulloch11 points·6 months ago

Not convinced. The evidence does not support that reading.

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