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c/retatrutide·posted 2 years ago by u/nikhil_asante

anyone else notice phase 2 kicking in around week 19

Results Long Haul ×2 Slow Clap ×1 The Quiet One ×1

Right, the triple agonist question again, but with numbers this time.

I have 4 data points over 20 weeks. The pattern is consistent enough that I do not think it is chance, and boring enough that nobody is going to screenshot it, which is usually a good sign.

The thing I would flag for anyone new: the effect I am describing showed up at week 49, not week 3. People give up long before the interesting part.

Interested in whether this matches other people's logs or whether I am an outlier.

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u/vito_beaulieu263 points·2 years ago

Every time this gets posted it hits the front page and every time someone has to re-explain it.

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u/lina_bruun81 points·2 years ago·edited

Strongly agree. Heart rate escalation needs the actual data, not impressions.

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u/ledger_modMOD163 points·2 years ago

Tracking number removed. It identifies both ends of a shipment.

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u/nikhil_asanteOP0 points·2 years ago

retatrutide is not approved anywhere for human use, posts must not read as instructions

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u/jarno_cabrera1 point·2 years ago

the glucagon component changes the side effect profile, not just the efficacy

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u/nikhil_asanteOP1 point·2 years ago

Sceptical. If this were true we would see it reflected in the data and we do not.

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u/ewan_marchand1 point·2 years ago

phase 2 numbers are not maintenance numbers, cite the trial

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u/heart_rate_bump1 point·2 years ago

Not to be pedantic but dose escalation and retatrutide are being used interchangeably and they are not interchangeable in real life.

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd1 point·2 years ago

the glucagon component changes the side effect profile, not just the efficacy

Adding to this: TRIUMPH is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/cold_chromatogram_only187 points·2 years ago

The practical rule people converge on is 28 days at fridge temperature after first puncture, and that comes from the preservative, not the peptide.

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd30 points·2 years ago

Did you actually measure heart rate or is that a feeling?

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u/nikhil_asanteOP136 points·2 years ago

Did you actually measure heart rate or is that a feeling?

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u/emil_agyeman41 points·2 years ago·edited

the weight curves are unusually steep, which makes predicting individual response harder

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u/lane_watchermod · logistics192 points·2 years ago

The evidence standard in c/vendorvetting gets called too strict about once a month, and every time, the thread ends with the complainant agreeing.

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u/cormac_roos86 points·2 years ago

No. This is the kind of confident post that gets copied into a screenshot and repeated for years. Where is the evidence.

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u/dead_space_doug115 points·2 years ago
tl;dr for anyone scrolling: dose escalation
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u/signe_villalobos85 points·2 years ago

Three years on this site and the questions have not changed at all. Which is depressing or reassuring depending on the day.

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u/nadia_norgaard-6 points·2 years ago

Yeah, phase 2 retatrutide is interesting but it is not comparable to phase 3 compounds.

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u/heart_rate_bump48 points·2 years ago

TRIUMPH phase 2 showed 98.0% weight loss but the constipation profile on the highest arm was rough. Phase 2 != phase 3.

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u/burned_once_twice30 points·2 years ago

The heart rate signal in TRIUMPH is real and concerning. Higher doses had higher mean HR changes.

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u/anya_moreau51 points·2 years ago

The heart rate signal in TRIUMPH is real and concerning. Higher doses had higher mean HR changes.

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u/titration_marshalmod · c/semaglutide38 points·2 years ago

retatrutide is not approved anywhere for human use, posts must not read as instructions

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u/lurker_for_years33 points·2 years ago

the 10mg arm is different from 12.5mg, results do not transfer

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u/rohan_cardoso19 points·2 years ago

Yeah, phase 2 retatrutide is interesting but it is not comparable to phase 3 compounds.

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u/marit_laurent5 points·2 years ago

triple agonism plus glucagon is a different physiological state than GIP/GLP-1 dual

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain11 points·2 years ago

I am going to push back on this slightly.

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