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c/coa·posted 7 months ago by u/sofia_ferreira

three years of related substances threads, summarised so you do not have to read them

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three years of related substances threads, summarised so you do not have to read them, and I am aware this is a minority view on this board.

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/spreadsheet_gremlindata0 points·7 months ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/sofia_ferreira1 point·7 months ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/liv_nkemelu108 points·7 months ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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u/sofia_ferreiraOP69 points·7 months ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/noor_cardoso159 points·7 months ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/andres_restrepo0 points·7 months ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo.

noor_cardoso has the distinction right — one is a fraction of the detector signal, the other is a fraction of the mass.

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u/certified_referenceMOD65 points·7 months ago

Reminder: a question about a document is not an accusation about a supplier, and posts that blur the two get retitled.

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u/ismael_eriksen18 points·7 months ago·edited

water content is on there and everyone skips it

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u/sofia_ferreiraOP29 points·7 months ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page

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u/katrin_girard83 points·7 months ago

This. Area percent answers "what fraction of what the detector saw was the peak I wanted", and people read it as "how much peptide is in the vial".

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u/hugo_bergstrom38 points·7 months ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/soren_nkemelu-7 points·7 months ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical-10 points·7 months ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/soren_nkemelu0 points·7 months ago

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export.

This is the sentence to take away. The rest of the thread is footnotes to it.

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u/santiago_szabo76 points·7 months ago·edited

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/anya_correia61 points·7 months ago

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/halima_boateng32 points·7 months ago

Cosigning. The batch identifier is load-bearing, and a certificate that cannot be tied to the vial in your hand is not about your vial.

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u/bastian_moreau46 points·7 months ago

a certificate with no method line is decorative

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u/nadia_kjaer39 points·7 months ago

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

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u/sofia_ferreiraOP30 points·7 months ago

post the whole document, not the headline number

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u/zeynep_zielinski17 points·7 months ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/wanjiru_varga7 points·7 months ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

Disagree on this specific point. Two honest labs can resolve that impurity differently and report different numbers.

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u/fatima_wojcik3 points·7 months ago

batch number, date of analysis, method, individual impurities — that is the minimum set

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u/anya_moreau2 points·7 months ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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