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c/coa·posted 1 year ago by u/yannick_haddad

[Meta] the area percent rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

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Housekeeping: the area percent rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining.

Water content 3.8%, acetate 6.2%, purity 99%, net peptide about 90% of label weight. All four numbers honest, and I had to read it twice.

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

Asked for the storage condition behind the stability statement. Got it in a sentence. It is a two-line email and almost nobody sends it.

I will update this if the picture changes rather than quietly leaving it up.

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u/santiago_szabo782 points·1 year ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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[deleted]298 points·1 year ago

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u/freya_baptista94 points·1 year ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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u/yannick_haddadOP36 points·1 year ago

Does the lot on the vial match the lot on the page?

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u/dead_space_doug25 points·1 year ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/sofia_ferreira542 points·1 year ago

Sent one vial to VendorInvestigate and PeptideMeter. 97.8% and a claimed 97.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

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u/yannick_haddadOP329 points·1 year ago·edited

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/reflux_report343 points·1 year ago

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

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u/clara_restrepo445 points·1 year ago

What does the method line actually say? Not the technique — the column and the gradient.

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u/liv_nkemelu532 points·1 year ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/purity_pedantanalytical122 points·1 year ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page

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u/alcohol_aversion186 points·1 year ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/reflux_report116 points·1 year ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/step_therapy_s67 points·1 year ago·edited

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/valeria_girard80 points·1 year ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/coa_collectorMOD141 points·1 year ago

Left up and flaired Explainer. This is the answer we keep linking, written properly.

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u/honest_syringe2493 points·1 year ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/neha_erdogan104 points·1 year ago

That is not what the method line says. It names the technique; it does not certify the operator.

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u/tomas_lehtinen80 points·1 year ago·edited

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist62 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/anya_moreau33 points·1 year ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/clara_restrepo13 points·1 year ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/ignacio_silva0 points·1 year ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity.

This is the sentence to take away. The rest of the thread is footnotes to it.

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u/liv_nkemelu56 points·1 year ago

chromatogram or it did not happen

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u/dario_boateng31 points·1 year ago·edited

Are the related substances itemised or is it a single total?

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u/wrong_network_w17 points·1 year ago

Yes. The structure of the document matters at least as much as the number printed on it.

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