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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/nikhil_lindqvist

[Vendor] WXT vs JEEP on the same compound, same month — both cleared 97.0%

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The claim in the title is exactly the claim I am making: WXT vs JEEP on the same compound, same month — both cleared 97.0%. Nothing implied beyond it.

Pulling the figures out of the title: 97.0%. All of it is written down as it happened rather than reconstructed.

Sent one vial to Medutest and Janoshik. 99.6% and a claimed 99.0%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/nabila_espinoza2.8k points·2 years ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/emeka_beaulieu1.3k points·2 years ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/cormac_pereira2.5k points·2 years ago

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

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u/dario_vermeulen1.9k points·2 years ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/yara_antonsen1.5k points·2 years ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/ismael_eriksen401 points·2 years ago·edited

Agreed — the itemised related substances table is the difference between a document and a receipt.

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u/soren_zamora485 points·2 years ago

Did you get the chromatogram or only the summary line?

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u/aleksi_eriksen1.3k points·2 years ago

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

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u/nikhil_lindqvistOP637 points·2 years ago

What does the method line actually say? Not the technique — the column and the gradient.

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u/blunt_coldbox29168 points·2 years ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/freya_baptista976 points·2 years ago·edited

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/sunday_shot_sal224 points·2 years ago

axis labels included, always

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u/amara_halonen126 points·2 years ago·edited

Asked QSC for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa80 points·2 years ago

Water content 3.8%, acetate 6.2%, purity 99%, net peptide about 90% of label weight. All four numbers honest, and I had to read it twice.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical184 points·2 years ago

Are the related substances itemised or is it a single total?

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u/mikkel_correia-3 points·2 years ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/nikhil_lindqvistOP1 point·2 years ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

mikkel_correia has the distinction right — one is a fraction of the detector signal, the other is a fraction of the mass.

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u/soren_zamora1 point·2 years ago·edited

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/sunday_shot_sal1 point·2 years ago

I would not read a rounded figure as evasive. Plenty of documents round to one decimal as house style.

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u/priya_palacios631 points·2 years ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/alcohol_aversion300 points·2 years ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo.

Adding the bit that always gets missed: the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page, or none of this applies to your material.

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