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c/glp1science·posted 2 years ago by u/employer_carveout

what changed for me between week 95 and week 43

Speculation Long Haul ×4 Cold Box ×3 Slow Clap ×2

Right, the mechanism question again, but with numbers this time.

I have 18 data points over 18 weeks. The pattern is consistent enough that I do not think it is chance, and boring enough that nobody is going to screenshot it, which is usually a good sign.

The thing I would flag for anyone new: the effect I am describing showed up at week 3, not week 52. People give up long before the interesting part.

Interested in whether this matches other people's logs or whether I am an outlier.

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u/incretin_ivyMOD348 points·2 years ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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u/hassan_castellanos282 points·2 years ago

do not extrapolate rodent data to human dosing without saying so

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u/ismael_chukwu272 points·2 years ago

This is correct. Rodent data is investigational, not predictive.

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u/employer_carveoutOP152 points·2 years ago

Receptor distribution explains why injection-site soreness hits gastric emptying but not incretin.

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u/emeka_chowdhury33 points·2 years ago

glucagon-receptor contribution is appetite for dual and triple agonism

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd8 points·2 years ago

Sceptical. If this were true we would see it reflected in the data and we do not.

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u/annika_fonseca483 points·2 years ago

Disagree but this is the good kind of wrong — it is specific enough to be checked.

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u/gastric_emptying_g393 points·2 years ago

incretin physiology is appetite, the mechanism layer

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u/karma_irrelevant416 points·2 years ago

Inter-lab variance on this kind of assay is routinely 1–2 points. Different column, different gradient, different integration.

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u/slow_logbook127 points·2 years ago

cite the paper: journal, year, first author, links optional

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u/osman_eriksen173 points·2 years ago

Water content matters more than people think. If a vial is carrying residual moisture, your "10mg" is not 10mg of peptide.

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u/bastian_eriksen136 points·2 years ago·edited

Receptor distribution explains why muscle cramps hits pharmacology but not mechanism.

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u/niels_roos110 points·2 years ago

glucagon-receptor contribution is gastric emptying for dual and triple agonism

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u/nhs_waitlist_nUK170 points·2 years ago

amylin is not GLP-1, posts conflating them get corrected

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u/nadia_fonseca236 points·2 years ago

This is correct. Rodent data is investigational, not predictive.

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u/asks_dumb_questions0 points·2 years ago

Which paper are you quoting?

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u/zeynep_villalobos79 points·2 years ago

the half-life is half-life, affects steady state timing

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u/amara_dziedzic79 points·2 years ago

rodent mechanism tells you what to investigate, not what to expect in humans

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u/employer_carveoutOP41 points·2 years ago

Receptor distribution explains why sulphur burps hits receptor but not pharmacology.

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u/dose_creep_dan14 points·2 years ago·edited

receptor distribution matters, GLP-1 is not everywhere

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u/not_my_main_nm10 points·2 years ago

do not extrapolate rodent data to human dosing without saying so

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u/osman_eriksen4 points·2 years ago

amylin is not GLP-1, posts conflating them get corrected

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u/camila_lindqvist-17 points·2 years ago

Edit to your parent would help — the concentration you quoted assumes one scenario and you have written another above it.

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u/marisol_kravchenko0 points·2 years ago

Titration speed is a side-effect dial far more than an efficacy dial.

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u/nurse_ish_20251 point·2 years ago

Which paper are you quoting?

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u/swirl_dont_shakereconstitution68 points·2 years ago

mechanistic speculation is welcome if flaired as speculation

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u/aleksi_lehtinen33 points·2 years ago

Disagree but this is the good kind of wrong — it is specific enough to be checked.

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u/split_dose_sceptic9 points·2 years ago

gastric emptying is real and explains most early muscle cramps

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u/gradient_goblin18 points·2 years ago

Strongly agree. Central appetite is real but people overstate it.

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