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c/maintenancephase·posted 2 years ago by u/hub_ops

why does nobody talk about lowest effective dose

Regain Well Actually ×3 Clean Column ×1 Cold Box ×1

Quick one. Denmark here.

long term works very differently where I live than in the threads that dominate the front page, and I keep seeing people confidently given advice that simply does not apply outside the US.

Specifics: the route I used took 17 weeks and cost roughly what I expected. The admin was worse than the cost. The thing that would have saved me the most time was knowing which document to ask for at the start.

Happy to answer questions from anyone in the same jurisdiction.

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u/ilias_nakamura340 points·2 years ago

Mechanistically the bit that matters is goal weight. It explains most of the early profile and a decent chunk of the outcome.

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u/noor_cardoso211 points·2 years ago

the maintenance question changes at maintenance

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u/kaplan_meier_kim168 points·2 years ago

Weight variance within what range?

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u/osman_ferrari252 points·2 years ago

the 15mg dose works fine for 35 weeks of the month

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff148 points·2 years ago

Maintenance for 18 months now. 5mg every 12 days, weight 25±18kg. Found the rhythm.

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u/nils_tulloch120 points·2 years ago·edited

Respectfully this is a sample of one presented as a finding.

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u/food_noise_goneMOD65 points·2 years ago

Retitled to remove editorialising. Put the evidence in the body.

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u/vitamin_d_void122 points·2 years ago

Strongly agree. Lowest effective dose is a real discovery process.

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u/nabila_espinoza32 points·2 years ago

How long at maintenance?

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff61 points·2 years ago

food noise returns but not always immediately

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u/ewan_marchand50 points·2 years ago

What dose are you on?

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u/paloma_stanescu24 points·2 years ago

What dose are you on?

Adding to this: dose stretching is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/anders_osei0 points·2 years ago

Did you stretch the dose interval?

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain40 points·2 years ago·edited

regain is not a moral failing

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u/fatima_asante28 points·2 years ago

regain is not a moral failing

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/vitamin_d_void41 points·2 years ago

the plateau is where the learning happens

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff21 points·2 years ago

Tried the lowest-effective approach. 7.5mg worked for 6 weeks, then cravings returned. 12.5mg was the actual floor.

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The part nobody posts about: what happens at goal weight. Finding a lowest effective dose, dose-interval stretching, regain risk data, muscle retention, the psychology of not having a number to chase, and staying on indefinitely versus tapering.

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