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c/compounding·posted 8 months ago by u/incretin_ivy

help me understand shortage list, I have read the wiki twice

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Slightly embarrassed to be asking this, but: help me understand shortage list, I have read the wiki twice.

The intake asked me three questions and none of them were about my history. That told me everything I needed to know about the model.

Switched between two compounded preparations and the concentration on the label was different. Redid the arithmetic on paper before drawing anything.

Asked for the beyond-use date basis and got a real answer with a stability reference attached. Not universal, apparently.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/usp_appendixcompendial130 points·8 months ago

Why "compounded" is not "generic", written out because the confusion is constant.

A generic is an approved product demonstrated to be bioequivalent to a reference. A compounded preparation is made for a patient or, in the case of an outsourcing facility, under a different regulatory route entirely. It carries no equivalence claim and it is not required to demonstrate one.

That is not a quality judgement. Plenty of compounded preparations are made carefully in facilities with real testing programmes. It is a statement about what has and has not been established, and the difference matters when people assume the two are interchangeable.

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u/burned_once_twice33 points·8 months ago

shortage status changes and the whole arrangement changes with it

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u/usp_appendixcompendial9 points·8 months ago·edited

Yes — asking which facility, by name, is the single most useful question and most clinics will answer it.

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u/prior_auth_painappeals4 points·8 months ago

Cosigning the beyond-use date question. What it is based on tells you whether anybody has done stability work.

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u/yannick_petrov1 point·8 months ago

Careful. Naming a clinic without describing what actually happened turns this into a different kind of thread.

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u/incretin_ivyOPpharmacology23 points·8 months ago

That figure is the starting material purity, not the finished preparation potency. Two different tests.

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u/bilal_osei8 points·8 months ago

compounded is not generic, there is no equivalence claim

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u/stubborn_batchlist_pls99 points·8 months ago

Why "compounded" is not "generic", written out because the confusion is constant.

This is the distinction the whole board runs on. Everything else follows from it.

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u/emeka_chowdhury168 points·8 months ago

A 503A pharmacy compounds for an identified patient against a prescription. A 503B outsourcing facility registers with the regulator, may produce without patient-specific prescriptions, and is subject to current good manufacturing practice requirements. The two are governed differently and the difference is not cosmetic.

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u/tove_ogunleye54 points·8 months ago

Agreed. The 503A versus 503B distinction changes who is allowed to make what, and almost every confused thread here starts by ignoring it.

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u/yannick_petrov127 points·8 months ago

Compounded preparations are not approved products and carry no bioequivalence claim. That is a statement about regulatory category, not about quality.

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u/emil_okwuosa61 points·8 months ago

Same view. If the intake asked you nothing, the intake was a formality and you should factor that in.

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u/burned_once_twice48 points·8 months ago

What is the beyond-use date and what is it based on?

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u/incretin_ivyOPpharmacology-22 points·8 months ago

Compounded preparations are not approved products and carry no bioequivalence claim.

yannick_petrov is right about the concentration trap. It breaks arithmetic that has been reliable for months.

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u/hydration_hank-32 points·8 months ago

Asked which facility and got a name straight away. Looked it up, found the registration, felt considerably better about the whole thing.

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u/zaid_grimaldi81 points·8 months ago

Salt form matters for mass: a preparation specified as one salt and dosed as the free base gives you a different amount of peptide for the same number on the label.

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u/usp_appendixMOD33 points·8 months ago

Reminder that nothing here is medical advice and this board cannot tell you which arrangement to choose.

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u/prior_auth_painappeals16 points·8 months ago

Right, and the concentration genuinely can differ from the branded product, which breaks people’s arithmetic.

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u/lipid_panel_larrybloodwork13 points·8 months ago

do not assume the concentration matches the branded product

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u/camila_sandvik7 points·8 months ago

This. Compounded preparations carry no equivalence claim, and treating them as generics is a category error people make constantly.

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u/ignacio_vanhecke26 points·8 months ago

I would not read the price difference as a quality signal. Most of it is the consultation model, not the vial.

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u/camila_mensa13 points·8 months ago

Agreed on potency testing of the finished preparation. That is a different question from the purity of the starting material.

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u/hassan_chowdhury14 points·8 months ago

Yes. The shortage list is the legal hinge for the whole arrangement and its status is public.

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u/ismael_pires7 points·8 months ago·edited

Yes.

Disagreeing with this bit: registration is not equivalence, and the two get run together constantly.

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u/niels_roos16 points·8 months ago

Reminder that nothing here is medical advice and this board cannot tell you which arrangement to choose.

Adding one thing — ask for the facility name. Most will give it, and the ones that will not have answered you.

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u/camila_sandvik19 points·8 months ago

the pharmacy and the prescriber are two separate questions

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u/bilal_osei12 points·8 months ago

Who is the prescriber, and are they the same organisation as the pharmacy?

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u/ireland_drugs_pay5 points·8 months ago

the API source is the question nobody asks and everybody should

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u/priya_palacios6 points·8 months ago

ask which facility, then ask for their testing

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