GLPHubglpresearchhub.com
Read-only archive. GLP Research Hub is a static community record — nothing here is for sale, no account is needed, and no vote you cast is counted. Why?
Archived. This submission is more than a year old. Votes and new comments are closed, and some of the advice in it may have been superseded — check the community wiki for the current version.
1.1k
c/survodutide·posted 1 year ago by u/sena_teixeira

what changed for me between month 5 and month 8

Caution The Quiet One ×1 Long Haul ×3

what changed for me between month 5 and month 8. I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.

Assumed the weight numbers were the point and was corrected. They are secondary to what this is being developed for.

Went slowly because everything published describes a deliberate escalation. That is the extent of what I will say about it.

Spent an evening on the histology scoring system and understood the trial literature far better afterwards.

Tell me where this is wrong. That is the useful part of posting it.

1,319 up / 187 down88% upvoted47 commentsid 1tbf3l14 Dec 2024

47 comments

12 in this archive, depth 5

best — the order this archive was captured in

u/cesar_ivaturi0 points·1 year ago

Histological endpoints in this field are scored on biopsy: resolution of steatohepatitis without worsening of fibrosis, or improvement in fibrosis without worsening of steatohepatitis. Both are harder to achieve and to interpret than an imaging surrogate.

replysharereportpermalink
u/renal_outcomes_rnephro-curious130 points·1 year ago

Read the phase 2 hepatic paper properly and the endpoint definitions were more interesting than the headline response rate.

replysharereportpermalink
u/sena_teixeiraOP100 points·1 year ago

Which endpoint — histological response, fibrosis improvement, or fat fraction?

replysharereportpermalink
u/refund_ledger97 points·1 year ago

MASH endpoints are histological, which is a much harder bar

replysharereportpermalink
u/trialwatch_theoMOD50 points·1 year ago

Removed the escalation schedule. Unapproved compound, no protocols for other members, no exceptions.

replysharereportpermalink
u/hugo_bergstrom48 points·1 year ago

Looked for independent results across this whole site and found almost none. Worth knowing before forming an opinion.

replysharereportpermalink
u/kian_ferreira37 points·1 year ago

the hepatic data is what makes this compound different from the others

replysharereportpermalink
[removed]15 points·1 year ago

[removed by moderator]

replysharereportpermalink
u/kaia_kuusela-32 points·1 year ago

Imaging-derived liver fat fraction is a surrogate. It correlates with histology imperfectly, and a trial reporting one is not reporting the other.

replysharereportpermalink
u/meera_sandvik64 points·1 year ago

Is that a weight number from a different programme?

replysharereportpermalink
u/sena_teixeiraOP47 points·1 year ago

fibrosis improvement without worsening steatohepatitis is the phrase to learn

replysharereportpermalink
u/thermal_mass_tom50 points·1 year ago

Not convinced. Imaging-based fat fraction is not the same as a histological response and the paper is explicit about that.

replysharereportpermalink
Permalinked branches
Deep branches get their own page so a single reply chain can be linked and read on its own.
About c/survodutide

Survodutide-specific discussion: glucagon-receptor co-agonism, the hepatic fat and MASH resolution data, and how the side-effect profile compares with GIP-based dual agonism. Small community, high signal.

12kmembers
62submissions
Feb 2024created
submissions / month, last year
Sponsored

Janoshik Analytical

Independent HPLC and mass spec. The number you get is the number they found.

janoshik.com
Sponsored

GL Biochem (Shanghai)

Custom peptides and amino acids direct from the manufacturer since 1998. ISO 9001 / cGMP. Batch COA every order.

glbiochem.net
c/survodutide rules
  1. Glucagon co-agonism has a distinct safety story. Do not generalise from tirzepatide.
  2. MASH claims need the trial and the biopsy endpoint.
  3. Not approved. Descriptive posts only.
  4. Independent community. Nobody here sells anything, and anyone who tries is banned.
  5. Not medical advice. Describe what you did; never prescribe to a stranger.
  6. Claims need evidence. Batch numbers, dated screenshots, independent test reports, or a citation.
  7. No referral links, discount codes or affiliate URLs. Permanent ban, no appeal.
  8. No contact handles, wallet addresses or tracking numbers — they identify people.
  9. Be recognisably decent. Disagree hard, insult nobody.
Moderators
Volunteers. Unpaid, unaffiliated, and reachable through modmail only.
Before you read on

Several compounds discussed on GLP Research Hub are sold for research use only and are not approved for human use anywhere. Nothing here is medical advice and none of it is written by your clinician. If a post reads like an instruction, treat it as a description of what one stranger did.