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c/vendorvetting·posted 2 years ago by u/elise_grimaldi

someone explain Janoshik to me like I have not read a paper in years

Vendor Well Actually ×7 Slow Clap ×3 Receipts ×2

someone explain Janoshik to me like I have not read a paper in years. I would rather ask a basic question now than get this wrong quietly for two months.

A certificate with a purity figure and no method line is not falsifiable. You cannot reproduce it, you cannot check it, and it tells you nothing about how the number was produced.

Independent testing is worth more than a supplied certificate for one structural reason: the chain of custody. A member who buys, ships and pays is testing the same thing you would receive.

Lead time and minimum quantity are the two facts people forget to ask for and then argue about later. Both are answerable in one email before you commit.

Tell me where this is wrong. That is the useful part of posting it.

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u/freya_onwuka684 points·2 years ago

Where a supplier holds regional stock, ask which lines are actually held there rather than drop-shipped. It changes the lead time and it changes the customs question.

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u/search_before_post474 points·2 years ago

That reads as a recommendation and the source pages deliberately are not. They are a record you use to make your own decision.

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u/denied_again_d224 points·2 years ago

a claim with no batch number is a marketing document

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u/batch_number_bertievetting338 points·2 years ago

Small fix — the figure you quoted is the claimed purity from the certificate, and the independent result was the higher of the two.

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u/greta_lokken76 points·2 years ago

Asked GL Biochem for the batch record on a Tuesday and had the full document, batch and method line, before the end of the day. That is the bar now.

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u/dario_petrescu362 points·2 years ago

the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the certificate, every time

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u/zofia_lindholm422 points·2 years ago

the wider-market names in the table are there because nobody has enough data on them

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u/ipamorelin_i551 points·2 years ago

consistency across lots beats one spectacular result

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u/kaia_cabrera371 points·2 years ago

I would separate documentation from logistics. A supplier can be excellent at one and ordinary at the other, and averaging them hides it.

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u/lina_almeida175 points·2 years ago

Mild pushback: a supplier with fewer entries is not worse, it is less sampled. Those are different claims and the table says so.

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u/ireland_drugs_pay574 points·2 years ago·edited

Inter-lab variance on this assay runs a point or two either way. Two services disagreeing by that much is agreement, not a discrepancy, and treating it otherwise starts pointless arguments.

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u/dilara_weiss-4 points·2 years ago

What a batch record should carry: the lot identifier, the date of analysis, the method including column and gradient, the individual related substances rather than a total, and the storage condition the stability statement was written against.

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u/pavel_kravchenko316 points·2 years ago

buy small first, test it, then decide

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u/ledger_modmod · vetting82 points·2 years ago

The order I actually check things in, for anyone building a process rather than asking about one supplier.

First, the record: source page, verification log, and how many separate lots have been tested rather than how many tests exist. Second, the paperwork: ask for a batch-specific certificate and see what comes back and how fast. Third, the logistics: quoted lead time, minimum quantity, which lines are held in regional stock. Fourth, buy small and test it yourself.

Nothing in that list is exotic and all of it is answerable before you spend real money. Most of the disappointment posts on this board skipped step two.

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u/naomi_ekstrom34 points·2 years ago·edited

what does the certificate actually carry — that is the whole question

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u/cormac_pereira150 points·2 years ago·edited

The wider-market rows in the directory carry a band and a report count and nothing else, deliberately. Anything more would be manufacturing precision that the evidence does not support.

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u/dilara_weiss338 points·2 years ago

a directory entry is a record, not a recommendation

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u/lane_map_larrylogistics158 points·2 years ago

a directory entry is a record, not a recommendation

Would qualify this slightly. Fewer entries means less sampling, and less sampling is not the same as a worse process.

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u/lane_map_larrylogistics162 points·2 years ago

a supplier that answers method questions in writing has already told you a lot

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u/milos_vestergaard44 points·2 years ago

the interesting column is spread, not maximum

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u/noor_cardoso13 points·2 years ago

lead time quoted at checkout is the number to hold them to

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u/spreadsheet_gremlindata141 points·2 years ago

the source page log is more useful than the score above it

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u/receipts_or_nothingMOD52 points·2 years ago

Flair set to Vendor. Also a reminder that we take no money from any supplier in the directory.

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u/denied_again_d74 points·2 years ago·edited

registration number, then everything else

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u/sena_ferreira16 points·2 years ago

reship policy in writing before the order, not after

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u/swirl_dont_shakereconstitution4 points·2 years ago

three independent results beat thirty forum posts

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u/tl_dr_tina3 points·2 years ago

ask for the batch record before you ask for a discount

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