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c/trialwatch·posted 11 months ago by u/pancreatitis_scare

[PSA] write the concentration on the vial. that is the whole post.

Trial Data Receipts ×5

The one-line version is the title: write the concentration on the vial. that is the whole post. The rest is why.

Intention-to-treat analyses everybody randomised regardless of what they did afterwards. Completer analyses only those who finished. The second is systematically more flattering and both are legitimate if labelled.

Open-label extensions lose their randomisation. Anybody still enrolled at week 104 is a selected group and the numbers describe that group.

Cardiovascular outcome trials are powered for events, not for weight, and are typically run in a different population with different inclusion criteria. Reading a weight number out of one is reading a secondary endpoint.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/renal_outcomes_rnephro-curious57 points·11 months ago

Relative risk reduction without the baseline rate is uninterpretable. A large relative reduction on a small absolute risk is a small absolute benefit.

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u/alcohol_aversion26 points·11 months ago

A confidence interval is the range of effects compatible with the data. Two trials with overlapping intervals have not disagreed, whatever their point estimates look like next to each other.

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u/milos_trevino18 points·11 months ago

SELECT was cardiovascular outcomes, not weight

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u/nils_tulloch22 points·11 months ago

That is the 68-week readout, not the 72-week one. Different trial, different duration.

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u/zaid_roos6 points·11 months ago

Read a press release and the publication three months apart. The hedging in the second one was substantial.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist34 points·11 months ago

Disagree — that figure is from the diabetes programme and you are quoting it as an obesity endpoint.

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