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c/survodutide·posted 4 months ago by u/thermal_mass_tom

the MASH thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

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the MASH thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

Independent purity results for this compound are very sparse across the whole site, which means any impression about consistency is built on almost nothing.

Assumed the weight numbers were the point and was corrected. They are secondary to what this is being developed for.

Sent a vial to PeptideMeter because there was nothing on file. 99.3% against a claimed 98.5%. First entry for this compound in my own log.

Sceptical readings welcome. The confident ones are the ones I distrust.

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u/border_paperwork231 points·4 months ago

The endpoint vocabulary, because you cannot read this literature without it.

Resolution of steatohepatitis without worsening of fibrosis and improvement in fibrosis without worsening of steatohepatitis are the two standard composite endpoints, both scored on biopsy by pathologists against a defined system. Liver fat fraction is an imaging surrogate that correlates imperfectly with histology.

A trial can move the surrogate substantially and the histological endpoint modestly. Both results are real; they answer different questions. Anybody quoting a response rate here should say which endpoint it refers to, and most summaries do not.

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u/thermal_mass_tom104 points·4 months ago·edited

read the histology endpoint definitions before quoting a response rate

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u/kaia_cabrera183 points·4 months ago·edited

Phase 2 in a biopsy-confirmed population is a demanding design: recruitment is slow, the population is specific, and the results do not generalise to people who have not been characterised that way.

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u/honest_syringe_pls59 points·4 months ago

Phase 2 in a biopsy-confirmed population is a demanding design: recruitment is slow, the population is specific, and the results do not generalise to

Agreed — and the endpoint definitions are where the actual claim lives.

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u/chidi_demir89 points·4 months ago

Agreed that the endpoint definitions matter enormously and almost nobody reads them before quoting a response rate.

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u/yannick_petrov41 points·4 months ago

a liver endpoint is not a weight endpoint with better marketing

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u/tuva_kirchner70 points·4 months ago

I would not read across from the obesity programmes. Different population, different endpoint, different question.

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u/tomas_lokken55 points·4 months ago

this board is small because the compound is early

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u/cato_girard43 points·4 months ago

dual GLP-1 and glucagon agonist, and the glucagon arm is the story

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u/nadia_bakker29 points·4 months ago

phase 2 in liver disease is a different evidence question from weight

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u/rania_marchand114 points·4 months ago

Nothing containing this compound is approved anywhere. Research-use-only material is not approved for human use.

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u/dario_boateng61 points·4 months ago

the titration in the trials was slow and deliberate

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u/marisol_frisk52 points·4 months ago·edited

Imaging-derived liver fat fraction is a surrogate. It correlates with histology imperfectly, and a trial reporting one is not reporting the other.

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