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c/hplc·posted 1 year ago by u/ahmed_rasmussen

[Discussion] we are measuring integration at the wrong time and calling it noise

Discussion Long Haul ×4 The Quiet One ×3

Posting this because I searched for it and got nothing useful.

Setup: 7.5mg, week 51, constipation present but not ruining anything. I changed exactly one variable — LC-MS — and tracked it for 14 weeks.

Result: a difference, but a small one, and well inside what I would call noise if someone else posted it. So I am putting it here rather than presenting it as a finding. If two or three other people have done the same thing we might actually learn something.

Not medical advice, obviously. This is one person with a spreadsheet.

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u/egfr_watcher87 points·1 year ago

Injection volume and flow rate? Those affect resolution.

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u/mateusz_mensah65 points·1 year ago

Inter-lab variance on this kind of assay is routinely 1–2 points. Different column, different gradient, different integration.

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u/elodie_grimaldi0 points·1 year ago

two labs, two different baselines, two different purity numbers, both honest

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa34 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Largest single impurity tells a different story than total purity.

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u/freya_baptista28 points·1 year ago

Disagree. What you are describing is consistent with gradient, not with what you concluded.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen7 points·1 year ago

Disagree.

Disagree on that part. 97.4% and 97.6% on the same vial is normal.

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u/clara_danquah23 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Largest single impurity tells a different story than total purity.

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u/dead_space_doug15 points·1 year ago

the gradient is doing the separation work, not the column alone

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u/quiet_reader_999 points·1 year ago

Small correction: the trial was 20 weeks, not 38. Does not change your point but people will quote it.

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u/cormac_roos3 points·1 year ago·edited

Small correction: the trial was 20 weeks, not 38.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/joaquin_petrov3 points·1 year ago

related substances are where the story lives, not the main peak

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u/fatima_yildiz6 points·1 year ago·edited

a round-robin on baseline integration would be genuinely useful

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments1 point·1 year ago

a round-robin on baseline integration would be genuinely useful

Yes, exactly this, and it is the bit that took me 77 weeks to accept.

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u/week_four_wall15 points·1 year ago

What was the column and what gradient?

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u/isabela_nilsen4 points·1 year ago

instrument quality is less important than analyst consistency

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u/ahmed_rasmussen3 points·1 year ago·edited

What was the column and what gradient?

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u/rosa_sandvik7 points·1 year ago

related substances are where the story lives, not the main peak

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u/kofi_ferreira5 points·1 year ago

a round-robin on baseline integration would be genuinely useful

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u/sig_figs_sammod · analytical7 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Largest single impurity tells a different story than total purity.

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u/bilal_adebayo3 points·1 year ago

co-elution is real and method development is usually not enough to resolve it

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u/careful_gradient11 points·1 year ago

No. This is the kind of confident post that gets copied into a screenshot and repeated for years. Where is the evidence.

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u/ahmed_rasmussenOP6 points·1 year ago

The PeptideMeter result being close to my own HPLC is the signal, not the absolute number. Both are right.

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