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c/hplc·posted 2 years ago by u/phase_two_pete

[Lab] 18th independent test on SWB — 99.4% on a claimed 99.0%, and the trend is the interesting part

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Numbers in the title, numbers in the post. 18th independent test on SWB — 99.4% on a claimed 99.0%, and the trend is the interesting part.

Numbers, in the order they matter: 99.4% and 99.0%.

Gave the same trace to two people I trust and got two integrations about a point apart. That was the most educational afternoon I have had here.

Sent the same vial to PeptideMeter and Medutest. 98.3% against a claimed 97.5%. The difference was the gradient, not the material.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/rasmus_petrescu2.2k points·2 years ago

Resolution between two peaks depends on retention, selectivity and efficiency. A shallower gradient buys retention and usually resolution, at the cost of peak width and run time.

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u/egfr_watcher3.3k points·2 years ago

UV response is not uniform across species. At 214nm you are looking at the peptide bond, which is why it is the working wavelength for this class; at 280nm you only see tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine.

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u/phase_two_pete741 points·2 years ago

Ran a blank after a high-concentration injection and found the carryover I had been calling an impurity.

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u/enzo_petrescu643 points·2 years ago

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity. The blank injection is four minutes and it removes the ambiguity entirely.

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u/micro_bump_mick1.2k points·2 years ago

Area percent is the integrated area of your peak over the total integrated area at one wavelength on one gradient. Change any of those and the number changes without the sample changing.

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments428 points·2 years ago

you cannot report to two decimals off that baseline

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u/hydration_hank134 points·2 years ago

214nm sees the peptide bond, 280nm sees the aromatics

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u/sig_figs_samMOD1k points·2 years ago

Retitled: the original claimed a comparison the post does not actually make.

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u/santiago_villalobos241 points·2 years ago

A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve cannot be quantified honestly. You can report it as an unresolved shoulder, which is useful information, or you can develop the method until it resolves.

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u/quiet_reader_99153 points·2 years ago·edited

A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve cannot be quantified honestly.

Agreed. And the corollary is that the method line on a certificate is not decoration, it is the number’s provenance.

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments180 points·2 years ago

Is that baseline drawn by the software or by hand?

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u/niels_lindqvist88 points·2 years ago

Is that baseline drawn by the software or by hand?

chain_confirm_c is right — the integration choice is a decision and it should be stated alongside the result.

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u/hamza_weiss558 points·2 years ago

That figure cannot be quoted to two decimals off that baseline. The precision is not in the data.

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u/rania_okonkwo362 points·2 years ago

I would not blame the sample yet. Everything you have described is consistent with the column rather than the vial.

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u/andres_restrepo263 points·2 years ago

That figure cannot be quoted to two decimals off that baseline.

Adding one practical thing — run the blank. It answers this before anyone has to argue about it.

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u/rania_okonkwo500 points·2 years ago

Bought a second-hand instrument and learned more in six months of fixing it than in three years of reading traces.

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u/nora_lundgren159 points·2 years ago

Same view — reporting the gradient is what makes a result checkable rather than merely stated.

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u/bilal_adebayo47 points·2 years ago

axis labels or the trace is decoration

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u/hedda_ekstrom441 points·2 years ago

integration decisions move the number more than the sample does

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u/anya_erdogan105 points·2 years ago

System suitability — repeat injections, tailing factor, plate count, RSD on area — is what tells you the instrument was fit for the measurement that day. Without it, the purity figure is unanchored.

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u/saskia_bakker66 points·2 years ago

System suitability — repeat injections, tailing factor, plate count, RSD on area — is what tells you the instrument was fit for the measurement that d

This is the whole methodological point of the board in one line.

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u/b12_baseline31 points·2 years ago

the column has a history and it shows in the peak shape

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u/samir_falk262 points·2 years ago

This. A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve is a question, not a quantity.

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u/insulin_syringe_ian139 points·2 years ago

Cosigning the wavelength point. Half the disagreements in this board are two people looking at different detectors.

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u/canada_coverage64 points·2 years ago·edited

Cosigning the wavelength point.

Disagreeing with this bit: that spread is ordinary inter-lab variance, not a disagreement about the material.

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u/mariam_cabrera108 points·2 years ago

system suitability before you believe any number on the run

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