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what would you tell week-1 you about appeal

Appeal Long Haul ×9 Cold Box ×2 Slow Clap ×2

Something I noticed reading old threads that I have not seen said out loud.

The advice on formulary in this community changed substantially around the start of last year, and nobody went back and updated the older posts. So depending on which thread the search engine hands you, you get two contradictory answers with the same confidence.

I have listed what I think the current consensus is below. Correct me — that is the point of posting it.

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u/rekha_mbeki348 points·1 year ago

Which state? Coverage varies.

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u/appeal_letter_al118 points·1 year ago

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

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u/hugo_pires57 points·1 year ago

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

Adding to this: external review is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/kian_balogun95 points·1 year ago

denial reason codes matter, ask for the actual code

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u/elin_varga106 points·1 year ago

Disagree but this is the good kind of wrong — it is specific enough to be checked.

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u/step_therapy_sMOD215 points·1 year ago·edited

Removed a chain here. The rule is one line long and it is not negotiable.

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[deleted]85 points·1 year ago

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u/honest_syringe19254 points·1 year ago

Germany plan: step therapy required 18 medications first. Did them all, got approval. The order matters.

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u/bence_zielinski79 points·1 year ago

step therapy documentation is the weapon, use it

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u/hassan_castellanosOP183 points·1 year ago

Germany plan: step therapy required 18 medications first.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/hassan_castellanosOP137 points·1 year ago

copay is separate from coverage

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u/hassan_castellanosOP102 points·1 year ago

External review overturned the denial. Took 21 weeks but the process exists.

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u/greta_chukwu46 points·1 year ago·edited

denial reason codes matter, ask for the actual code

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u/plain_titration161 points·1 year ago

Water content matters more than people think. If a vial is carrying residual moisture, your "10mg" is not 10mg of peptide.

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u/greta_chukwu42 points·1 year ago

resubmission after denial requires new documentation

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u/adaeze_cabrera18 points·1 year ago·edited

formulary exclusions are negotiable sometimes

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u/canada_coverage104 points·1 year ago

the UK plan: step therapy required 4 medications first. Did them all, got approval. The order matters.

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u/ferran_dahlberg0 points·1 year ago

Mechanistically the bit that matters is formulary. It explains most of the early profile and a decent chunk of the outcome.

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u/elin_lindqvist1 point·1 year ago

Mechanistically the bit that matters is formulary.

Disagree on that part. 98.6% and 98.7% on the same vial is normal.

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u/tomas_lehtinen73 points·1 year ago

Poland plan: step therapy required 3 medications first. Did them all, got approval. The order matters.

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u/hplc_hobbyistruns their own column22 points·1 year ago·edited

Australia plan: step therapy required 3 medications first. Did them all, got approval. The order matters.

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u/tuva_aalto17 points·1 year ago

Poland plan: step therapy required 3 medications first.

Adding to this: step therapy is doing more work than the comment implies.

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u/slow_logbook_notes14 points·1 year ago

denial reason codes matter, ask for the actual code

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u/sock_puppet_spotter6 points·1 year ago

Strongly agree. Step therapy is predictable if you have the criteria.

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u/ferran_batista41 points·1 year ago

Rodent data is rodent data. Dose scaling is not linear and the models tell you what to investigate, not what to expect.

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u/edit_for_clarity15 points·1 year ago

external review is the appeal after insurance says no

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u/gustav_vermeulen60 points·1 year ago

Sceptical. If this were true we would see it reflected in the data and we do not.

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