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c/glp1science·posted 1 year ago by u/camila_kowalski

[Meta] the receptor rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining

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the receptor rule is doing its job and people should stop complaining, and here is what changes in practice if it goes ahead.

Long half-life in this class comes from structural modification that promotes albumin binding and resists enzymatic degradation. Weekly dosing is a consequence of the molecule, not a convenience decision.

GIP receptor biology is genuinely unsettled — there is a live argument about agonism versus antagonism at the receptor — and the clinical results are robust regardless, which is an uncomfortable and interesting position.

Tolerance to the gastric effect develops with continued exposure while the appetite effect largely persists. That single fact explains most of the "it settles but it still works" pattern the side-effect board reports.

Corrections welcome, especially the pedantic ones. Pedantry is how this board earns its reputation.

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u/laila_almeida220 points·1 year ago

Glucose-dependent insulin secretion is why hypoglycaemia risk is low as monotherapy: the effect scales with glycaemia rather than acting unconditionally.

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u/ferran_dahlberg69 points·1 year ago

Is that from a human study or a preclinical model?

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u/niels_roos44 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by the linearity assumption. Dose-response in this class is not linear and the trials show it.

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u/signe_boateng21 points·1 year ago

What was the exposure in that experiment relative to therapeutic?

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u/milan_mensah36 points·1 year ago

I would not read that in vitro number across to a person. The conditions are nothing like physiological.

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u/lurker_for_years51 points·1 year ago

Is that from a human study or a preclinical model?

Adding the caveat the paper itself makes in its limitations section, which is stronger than anything in this thread.

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u/tomas_broberg228 points·1 year ago

Read the primary paper after arguing about the summary for a fortnight. The discussion section said almost the opposite of what the thread had concluded.

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u/bilal_osei157 points·1 year ago

the peripheral and central stories are not in competition

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u/camila_kowalskiOP110 points·1 year ago

Do you have the paper, or a summary of it?

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u/camila_kowalskiOP65 points·1 year ago·edited

albumin binding is most of the half-life story

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u/maintenance_mode_maxmaintenance61 points·1 year ago

Agreed — the incretin effect is the load-bearing concept and everything downstream reads differently once you have it.

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u/asks_dumb_questions80 points·1 year ago

GLP-1 receptor agonism acts both peripherally — insulin secretion in a glucose-dependent way, slowed gastric emptying — and centrally, on appetite regulation. The central component is the better explanation for sustained intake reduction.

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u/tomas_broberg39 points·1 year ago

Push back: a receptor being expressed in a tissue does not tell you the agonist reaches it at therapeutic exposure.

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