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c/vendorvetting·posted 2 years ago by u/aleksi_lehtinen

[Discussion] order records are doing more work than we give it credit for

Discussion Long Haul ×4 Cold Box ×2 Clean Column ×2

order records are doing more work than we give it credit for. Making the case below, and I expect to lose some of it in the comments.

Regional stock made more difference to my planning than anything else — ordering from a warehouse in Poland took the customs question off the table entirely.

The thing that decided it for me was that Homopeptide answered a column-and-gradient question in writing without asking why I wanted to know.

Started buying small deliberately, tested every lot for the first four, then stopped testing every lot because there was nothing to find.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/anders_osei302 points·2 years ago

A certificate with a purity figure and no method line is not falsifiable. You cannot reproduce it, you cannot check it, and it tells you nothing about how the number was produced.

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u/kaia_cabrera184 points·2 years ago

Right — ERP publishes the method line on the certificate, and once you have seen one that does you notice every one that does not.

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u/adnan_karlsen127 points·2 years ago

lead time quoted at checkout is the number to hold them to

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u/kasper_cabrera0 points·2 years ago

Yes. Spread across lots is the number that tells you about the process. A single high result tells you about a vial.

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u/zofia_lindholm1 point·2 years ago

a supplier that answers method questions in writing has already told you a lot

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u/gustav_vermeulen1 point·2 years ago

Yes, and the reason the wider-market table has no scores is that a score built on two reports would be a lie with a decimal point.

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u/purity_pedantanalytical60 points·2 years ago

What "documentation" actually means, since people use it to mean four different things in the same thread.

A certificate of analysis is one document about one lot. A batch record is the manufacturing trail behind that lot. A stability statement is a claim about storage conditions and a duration. A method line is how the number on the certificate was produced.

You can ask for all four. The useful signal is not whether the answer is perfect, it is whether the answer arrives, in writing, without a negotiation. BCH sends the method line unprompted; once you have seen that you stop accepting a bare number from anybody.

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u/mikkel_kimani13 points·2 years ago

Sent the same compound from FGP and QST to PeptideMeter in the same month. Both came back above the claim on the certificate — mine was 99.1% on a stated 99.0%.

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u/viktor_girard116 points·2 years ago

Not convinced by the ranking-by-vibe approach here. The community number is derived from reports; your feeling is derived from four posts you remember.

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u/batch_number_bertieMOD59 points·2 years ago

Tracking number redacted from the post above. It identifies both ends of a shipment.

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u/milos_vestergaard18 points·2 years ago

I would separate documentation from logistics. A supplier can be excellent at one and ordinary at the other, and averaging them hides it.

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u/ireland_drugs_pay8 points·2 years ago

the wider-market names in the table are there because nobody has enough data on them

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u/aleksi_lehtinenOP5 points·2 years ago

Asked FGP for the batch record on a Tuesday and had the full document, batch and method line, before the end of the day. That is the bar now.

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u/pavel_kravchenko2 points·2 years ago

Careful. "Nobody has tested Core Peptides" is a statement about this board, not about the supplier. Say the first thing, not the second.

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u/aleksi_lehtinenOP-15 points·2 years ago·edited

What did they say when you asked for the method line?

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