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c/trialwatch·submitted 3 months ago by u/prior_auth_pain

the STEP thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

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the STEP thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down. Not a hot take, just something I have not seen said plainly here. Spent an evening with the appendix tables and found the subgroup detail that the entire thread had been speculating about. Relative risk reduction without the baseline rate is…

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u/cloudy_vial_carol12 points·2 months ago

Why comparing across trials almost never works, with the specific failure modes.

Different populations: an obesity programme and a diabetes programme enrol different people with different baseline characteristics. Different endpoints: body weight change, glycaemic control and cardiovascular events are not convertible. Different durations: 68 weeks and 72 weeks are not the same, and the curves have not flattened by either.

Different analysis populations: one paper reports intention-to-treat, another emphasises completers. Different support: some trial designs include structured lifestyle contact that no member of this board receives.

Stack those and the "X beats Y" tables that circulate here are comparing five things at once and attributing the difference to the molecule.

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[deleted]5 points·2 months ago

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u/yannick_salinas6 points·2 months ago

the confidence interval is the finding, the point estimate is the headline

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u/heart_rate_bump1 point·2 months ago

SELECT was cardiovascular outcomes, not weight

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u/week_one_wanda1 point·2 months ago

open-label extensions are not the same evidence as the randomised phase

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u/valeria_karlsen1 point·2 months ago

How long was the randomised phase before any extension?

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u/camila_vasquez1 point·2 months ago

read the endpoint before you read the headline

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u/milan_mensah1 point·2 months ago

That is the 68-week readout, not the 72-week one. Different trial, different duration.

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