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c/survodutide·submitted 27 days ago by u/cato_batista

anyone else notice survodutide kicking in around week 89

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Update, and the title has the headline: anyone else notice survodutide kicking in around week 89. Read the phase 2 hepatic paper properly and the endpoint definitions were more interesting than the headline response rate. The escalation schedules in the published protocols are slow and deliberate, and the…

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u/nadia_bakker-21 points·26 days ago

Independent purity results for this compound are very sparse across the whole site, which means any impression about consistency is built on almost nothing.

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u/titration_marshalmod · c/semaglutide1 point·26 days ago

The endpoint vocabulary, because you cannot read this literature without it.

Resolution of steatohepatitis without worsening of fibrosis and improvement in fibrosis without worsening of steatohepatitis are the two standard composite endpoints, both scored on biopsy by pathologists against a defined system. Liver fat fraction is an imaging surrogate that correlates imperfectly with histology.

A trial can move the surrogate substantially and the histological endpoint modestly. Both results are real; they answer different questions. Anybody quoting a response rate here should say which endpoint it refers to, and most summaries do not.

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u/jarno_adeyemi1 point·25 days ago

The endpoint vocabulary, because you cannot read this literature without it.

Adding the standing caveat — unapproved compound, research material is not for human use.

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u/yannick_petrov1 point·26 days ago

not approved anywhere, and the boards forget that constantly

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u/cato_batistaOP1 point·26 days ago

MASH endpoints are histological, which is a much harder bar

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u/andres_dahlberg1 point·26 days ago

Histological endpoints in this field are scored on biopsy: resolution of steatohepatitis without worsening of fibrosis, or improvement in fibrosis without worsening of steatohepatitis. Both are harder to achieve and to interpret than an imaging surrogate.

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