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c/semaglutide·posted 2 years ago by u/georgi_haddad

my ALT moved and I cannot work out whether food noise is why

Side Effects Receipts ×2 Slow Clap ×3 Cold Box ×1

my ALT moved and I cannot work out whether food noise is why, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

Dropped my injection day by two days once because of travel. Nothing happened. The panic was worse than the effect.

The mental model that finally made this click for me: there are two curves, and people watch the wrong one.

The first is exposure, which is set by the dose and smoothed by a week-long half-life. It changes when you change the dose and then settles over about a month. The second is body weight, which is exposure filtered through appetite, food, water, sleep, training and the scale itself, and which moves in steps rather than a line.

Almost every "it stopped working" post is somebody watching curve two over a fortnight and drawing conclusions about curve one. If the appetite effect is still there, exposure is fine. Wait the month.

fatigue made the first fortnight rough at each step up, then flattened out. Predictable enough that I started planning around it.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/dead_space_doug954 points·2 years ago·edited

On the "everybody ends up at 2.4" claim, which comes up every few weeks.

The escalation schedule in the trials was designed to get people to a fixed study dose. Real use is not a trial. The dose that keeps your appetite quiet with side effects you can live with is the dose, and for a lot of people on this board that has been 2.4mg for a very long time.

The counter-argument, which is fair: some people genuinely do need the top of the range, and staying low out of caution costs them months. That is a conversation with someone who knows your history, not with us.

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u/oskar_kaufmann-30 points·2 years ago

staying at 0.5mg for an extra month is a legitimate plan

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u/ferritin_low1 point·2 years ago

Yes — and the honest version is that most of the "it stopped working" posts turn out to be a normal fortnight of water weight.

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u/marit_coelho1.4k points·2 years ago

sema is weekly for a reason, the half-life does the smoothing

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u/diego_sorensen554 points·2 years ago

Weight change and appetite change are different endpoints on different timescales. Conflating them is where most of the confusion on this board starts.

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u/yara_boateng229 points·2 years ago

Strongly agree on protein. It did more for my constipation than any of the things I bought to fix my constipation.

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u/aleksi_grimaldi104 points·2 years ago

Steady state after a dose change takes four to five half-lives, so the fair judgement point on a new step is about a month, not four days.

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u/iman_falk140 points·2 years ago

STEP-1 averaged just under 15% at 68 weeks, so a 10% year is not a failure

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