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c/retatrutide·submitted 2 months ago by u/andres_restrepo

[PSA] phase 2 is not what most of this community thinks it is

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The one-line version is the title: phase 2 is not what most of this community thinks it is. The rest is why. It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it. Increases in heart rate have…

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u/noor_ivaturi320 points·2 months ago

Phase 2 estimates effect and finds a dose range. Phase 3 estimates it precisely in a bigger population and catches what phase 2 was too small to see. Treating them as the same tier of evidence is the recurring error here.

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u/andres_restrepoOP142 points·2 months ago

Watched heart rate on a wearable across twelve weeks because the threads said to. It moved a little and I have no idea whether that means anything.

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u/honest_syringe33178 points·2 months ago

Which phase 2 arm are you quoting, and at what week?

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd136 points·2 months ago

Independent purity testing on this compound is thin compared with the older molecules, simply because fewer members have paid for it. Fewer results means wider uncertainty, not a verdict.

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u/andres_restrepoOP94 points·2 months ago·edited

Kept a log specifically because there is so little published. It is one person and it is not data.

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u/arne_amankwah52 points·2 months ago

the glucagon component is why the metabolic story reads differently

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u/yannick_salinas32 points·2 months ago

This. The phase 2 result was genuinely large and it was also 48 weeks in a few hundred people.

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u/reta_and_regret197 points·2 months ago

Yes — the glucagon arm is what makes it a different proposition rather than a stronger version of the others.

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