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c/retatrutide·submitted 1 year ago by u/nikhil_asante

triple agonist: the version I wish someone had shown me in week 1

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triple agonist: the version I wish someone had shown me in week 1. Numbers below. Ask me the boring questions, they are the useful ones. It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it.…

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u/clara_weiss304 points·1 year ago

Phase 2 estimates effect and finds a dose range. Phase 3 estimates it precisely in a bigger population and catches what phase 2 was too small to see. Treating them as the same tier of evidence is the recurring error here.

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u/quiet_moderatormod121 points·1 year ago

Stopped at a low step because there was no reason to go further and no data to tell me what further would do.

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u/nikhil_asante79 points·1 year ago

Sceptical of the extrapolation. Forty-eight weeks does not tell you about seventy-two, and the curve shape is exactly what is unknown.

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u/nikhil_asanteOP67 points·1 year ago

Watched heart rate on a wearable across twelve weeks because the threads said to. It moved a little and I have no idea whether that means anything.

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u/ewan_marchand183 points·1 year ago

the TRIUMPH programme is still running, so anything definitive is premature

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u/yannick_salinas0 points·1 year ago

not approved anywhere, which is the single most important fact in this board

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u/helga_vermeulen1 point·1 year ago

the phase 2 numbers were striking and they were also 48 weeks in a small population

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u/yannick_barros1 point·1 year ago

wait for phase 3 before you argue about rankings

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u/jarno_cabrera1 point·1 year ago

Same read. The energy-expenditure mechanism is the interesting bit and it is not established in humans at scale.

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