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c/retatrutide·submitted 3 days ago by u/reta_and_regret

reta phase 2 was −24.2% at 48 weeks and people quote it like it is a maintenance number

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Jastreboff et al., N Engl J Med , 2023. Phase 2. Forty-eight weeks. Mean change −24.2% in the highest dose arm. Every one of those qualifiers gets dropped when the number appears in a comment. It becomes "reta does 24%", which is a sentence about a molecule rather than about a trial arm, and it is how people end up…

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u/phase_two_pete289 points·2 days ago

Phase 2 to phase 3 has historically not been kind to effect sizes in this class. Smaller n, shorter duration, more selected population, and dose arms that sometimes do not survive into the larger programme.

None of that means the number is wrong. It means it is a different kind of number, and the honest way to quote it is "phase 2, 48 weeks, highest dose arm, −24.2%", which is longer and less exciting and correct.

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u/reta_and_regretOP154 points·2 days ago

and the extra eight words are exactly the ones that get cut. every time.

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u/trialwatch_theoMOD132 points·2 days ago

Which is why c/trialwatch requires trial name, phase, n and primary endpoint in the body. It is a slightly annoying rule that removes an entire genre of argument.

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u/incretin_ivypharmacology104 points·2 days ago

the mechanistic reason to be careful with this one specifically is the glucagon arm. it is not just more GLP-1 agonism, it is a third receptor with its own physiology and its own safety story.

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u/heart_rate_bump88 points·2 days ago

which is presumably where the HR signal comes from. mine went up more on reta than on anything else and settled once i stopped escalating.

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u/reta_and_regretOP96 points·2 days ago

same, and "settled once i stopped escalating" is the phrase i wish i had read at week four instead of week fourteen.

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