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c/retatrutide·submitted 1 year ago by u/arne_amankwah

[Lab] 9th independent test on QYB — 97.7% on a claimed 97.0%, and the trend is the interesting part

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Filing this under things worth writing down: 9th independent test on QYB — 97.7% on a claimed 97.0%, and the trend is the interesting part. Numbers, in the order they matter: 97.7% and 97.0%. Read the phase 2 paper twice before ordering anything. Recommend that to anyone in this board: the error bars are the…

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u/honest_syringe33132 points·1 year ago

It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors. The glucagon arm is the genuinely novel component and it is the one with the least human outcome data behind it.

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u/nikhil_asante57 points·1 year ago

It is a triple agonist at the GLP-1, GIP and glucagon receptors.

Agreed, and the glucagon arm is exactly why the comparison threads do not work.

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u/dead_space_doug35 points·1 year ago·edited

Agreed, and the glucagon arm is exactly why the comparison threads do not work.

Disagree with this specific inference. A 48-week readout does not tell you the shape of the curve after it.

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u/marta_vanhecke0 points·1 year ago

Correction: TRIUMPH is the phase 3 programme. The number you are quoting is from the phase 2 readout, which is a different trial.

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u/lane_watchermod · logistics25 points·1 year ago

the TRIUMPH programme is still running, so anything definitive is premature

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd14 points·1 year ago

the escalation is where most of the reported trouble sits

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u/careful_gradient3217 points·1 year ago

Phase 2 estimates effect and finds a dose range. Phase 3 estimates it precisely in a bigger population and catches what phase 2 was too small to see. Treating them as the same tier of evidence is the recurring error here.

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u/ferran_krastev44 points·1 year ago

Same read. The energy-expenditure mechanism is the interesting bit and it is not established in humans at scale.

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