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c/orforglipron·posted 1 year ago by u/sofia_petrescu

ATTAIN: what the trials say vs what this community says

Speculation Cold Box ×7 Slow Clap ×2

Thinking out loud about this: ATTAIN: what the trials say vs what this community says.

The analytical point, which this board keeps getting wrong by importing habits from the peptide side.

For a peptide, purity is typically reported as area percent by HPLC with identity by mass spectrometry, and the impurity classes are things like deletion and oxidation products. For a small molecule the relevant impurities are synthetic intermediates, degradants and residual solvents, and identity is established differently.

So the certificate you would want looks different, the questions to ask are different, and a "purity" figure quoted here is not comparable to one quoted on the peptide boards. Anybody posting a result should say what method produced it, which is good practice everywhere and essential here.

It is a non-peptide small-molecule agonist at the GLP-1 receptor. That is a substantial medicinal chemistry achievement: getting a small molecule to activate a receptor evolved for a peptide ligand.

Because it is not a peptide, it is not subject to the same degradation pathways, does not require the absorption enhancers used for oral peptides, and can be formulated as a conventional tablet.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/trialwatch_theotrial nerd211 points·1 year ago

Nothing containing this compound is approved by any regulator, and research-use-only material is not approved for human use.

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u/paloma_stanescu118 points·1 year ago

daily dosing changes adherence in both directions

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u/hamza_weiss82 points·1 year ago

Spent an evening reading about small-molecule agonism at a peptide receptor. Genuinely interesting engineering.

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u/greta_nilsen72 points·1 year ago

small molecule, not a peptide, and that changes everything about it

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u/lina_bruun0 points·1 year ago

Small fix — the two programme names got swapped upthread and it changes which population the figure came from.

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u/meera_sandvik1 point·1 year ago

Small fix — the two programme names got swapped upthread and it changes which population the figure came from.

Disagreeing with this bit: daily dosing is a different adherence problem, not a better one.

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u/graph_it_gary1 point·1 year ago

Agreed that phase 3 is where the comparison becomes fair. Everything before it is inference.

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u/ravi_sandvik73 points·1 year ago

Read both programme names carefully after mixing them up in a comment and being politely corrected.

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u/kenji_kimani41 points·1 year ago·edited

do not assume reconstitution intuitions apply, there is nothing to reconstitute

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u/mateusz_mensah17 points·1 year ago

the boards keep comparing it to injectables at matched doses, which is meaningless

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u/brigade_detector52 points·1 year ago

What is actually known, and what is being assumed.

Known: it is a small-molecule GLP-1 receptor agonist, dosed daily, with clinical programmes reporting in both obesity and type 2 diabetes. Its tolerability profile broadly resembles the class in the data published so far.

Assumed, frequently and confidently: that milligram comparisons with injectables mean something, that adherence is straightforwardly better because it is a tablet, that peptide purity discussions transfer to it. None of those hold. And nothing containing this compound is approved anywhere, which makes research-use-only material exactly that — not approved for human use.

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u/yannick_salinas37 points·1 year ago

ATTAIN and ACHIEVE are the programmes to keep straight

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