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c/newbiequestions·posted 2 years ago by u/laila_yilmaz

help me understand first time, I have read the wiki twice

Answered Long Haul ×1 Clean Column ×2 Cold Box ×2

help me understand first time, I have read the wiki twice. I am not trying to be the "source?" guy. I would just like a source.

The five things that would have saved me the most time in month one.

One: the first month is a tolerance check, not a results phase. Two: appetite usually changes before the scale does, so watch that instead. Three: write the concentration and the date on the vial the moment you reconstitute anything. Four: the loud posts are not the middle of the distribution. Five: nobody here — including whoever answers most confidently — is your clinician.

None of that is advice about what to take. It is the shape of the first few weeks, which is what I actually wanted and could not find.

How to ask a question here so that you get a useful answer.

Say what week you are in, whether you are using a pen or a vial, what country you are in, and what you have already read. Those four facts turn a question that gets three contradictory answers into one that gets a specific one.

And do ask. The basic questions get searched for constantly, so a clear answer here helps a stream of people who will never post. The only genuinely unwelcome thing on this board is being unpleasant to somebody for not knowing something yet.

The vocabulary, once, since half the questions here are really vocabulary questions.

Titration is stepping the dose up slowly for tolerance. Reconstitution is adding water to a freeze-dried powder. Bacteriostatic water contains a preservative; sterile water does not. COA is a certificate of analysis — a lab document about one batch. Area percent is a purity measure from that document, and it is not the amount of peptide in the vial. Units are a volume on an insulin syringe, not a dose.

That is most of the jargon on this site. The wiki has the longer version of each and it is linked in the sidebar.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/constipation_clubside effects155 points·2 years ago

search first, but a repeat question is not a crime

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u/laila_yilmazOP184 points·2 years ago

Asked what a COA was in my first week. Somebody linked the explainer and I have been reading them ever since.

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u/blunt_coldbox_202445 points·2 years ago·edited

Yes. The starting dose is a tolerance step. It is not supposed to do very much.

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u/nayeli_iyer64 points·2 years ago

bacteriostatic water has a preservative, sterile water does not

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u/dario_bakken93 points·2 years ago

My first question here was genuinely basic and it now shows up in search for other people asking it.

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u/britta_nakamura45 points·2 years ago

Agreed that appetite moves before the scale. Knowing that in advance saves a lot of week-three panic.

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u/laila_yilmazOP75 points·2 years ago

Which country? Half the answers here only apply in one place.

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u/laila_yilmazOP38 points·2 years ago

Week 8 for me was completely flat and I was convinced something was wrong. It was not. Month two was where everything happened.

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u/intent_to_treat160 points·2 years ago

the first month is a tolerance check, not a results phase

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u/dexa_twice_yearlybody comp70 points·2 years ago

Agreed — week two with nothing on the scale is so common it should be in the sidebar. It probably is.

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u/gentle_correctionnice about it101 points·2 years ago

The injection was scarier in my head than in reality. It took about ten seconds and I felt slightly silly afterwards.

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u/ines_ekstrom43 points·2 years ago

Not quite. Bacteriostatic and sterile water are different products and only one is intended for repeated entry.

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u/nordic_pricing24 points·2 years ago

Correction: the starting dose is a tolerance step rather than a treatment dose. The distinction is the answer to the question above.

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u/ines_ekstrom15 points·2 years ago

pens and vials are the same molecule with different logistics

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u/dexa_twice_yearlybody comp10 points·2 years ago

ask the dumb question, three other people are searching for it

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u/georgi_chowdhury10 points·2 years ago

That is area percent from a certificate, not the amount of peptide in the vial. Two different numbers and a very common mix-up.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_pls6 points·2 years ago

titration means going slow on the way up

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u/cato_batista72 points·2 years ago

Titration is a tolerance ladder. Each step exists so the gastrointestinal effects settle before the next increase, which is why the intervals are what they are.

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u/asks_dumb_questions31 points·2 years ago

Wrote the concentration on the vial after reading it here. Have never once had to reconstruct it from memory since.

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u/rekha_vestergaard23 points·2 years ago

research-use-only material is not approved for human use, and that belongs in every beginner thread

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u/sigrid_kaufmann45 points·2 years ago

What does the wiki page on this say — genuinely asking, not deflecting?

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u/ruben_almeida64 points·2 years ago·edited

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use. That is a plain statement of regulatory fact and it belongs in every beginner thread.

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u/ismael_chukwu27 points·2 years ago

Appetite change and weight change are different measurements on different timescales. The first is usually noticed first and the second lags it.

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u/greta_chukwu9 points·2 years ago

read the wiki first, then ask anyway

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u/britt_zamora7 points·2 years ago

Small correction, said kindly: those are two different products with similar names, and the difference matters for a multi-draw vial.

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u/aurel_mwangi2 points·2 years ago

Push back on the advice above: nobody here can tell a member what dose to take, however confidently it is phrased.

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u/aurel_boateng10 points·2 years ago

Did you write the concentration on the vial?

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u/ruben_cabrera38 points·2 years ago

Yes — nobody here is your clinician, and the good answers on this board all end with that.

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u/ismael_chukwu26 points·2 years ago

A certificate of analysis is a document describing one batch: what was tested, by what method, and what the result was. Its value depends entirely on whether it names the batch and the method.

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