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c/meta·posted 2 years ago by u/hub_ops

[Discussion] can we stop arguing about rules until somebody posts a number

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Trying to get a straight answer on this: can we stop arguing about rules until somebody posts a number.

What the ranking does, in case you assume it is hiding something.

The hot ordering combines the magnitude of a submission’s score with its age, so that a new post with moderate support can outrank an older one with more. The controversial ordering weights total vote volume by how evenly it splits, so a heavily contested thread rises above a small evenly-split one.

Both are published, and both are reproducible from the score and timestamp shown on every submission — one member here rebuilt the ordering in a spreadsheet to check. The consequence worth knowing is structural: feed position rewards early agreement, so the top comment is frequently not the best answer. Sorting by controversial occasionally is genuinely worth doing.

How a rule actually changes here, since people assume it is arbitrary.

Somebody posts a proposal with replacement wording — not a complaint, actual text. It gets argued about, usually for a week or two. If it survives, it goes in with whatever amendments came out of the argument, and the change is announced with the reasoning attached.

The reason wording is required is that it is the only thing that can be evaluated. "The vendor evidence rules are too strict" cannot be adopted, rejected or amended. A proposed sentence can. Several rules on this site started as a comment in a thread like this one, which is the strongest argument for the process.

Checked the sponsor disclosure because I assumed it would be vague. It was extremely specific and slightly boring.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

2,058 up / 192 down91% upvoted17 commentsid cqmldj8 Nov 2023

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best — the order this archive was captured in

u/dose_creep_dan258 points·2 years ago

Feed position is a function of early votes and time. That structurally favours agreeable early answers over correct late ones, which is why sorting by controversial occasionally is worth the effort.

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff176 points·2 years ago·edited

Complained about a rule without proposing anything and was politely pointed at this page. Fair.

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u/rulebook_rachaelMOD272 points·2 years ago

Reminder that no referral or affiliate links are permitted anywhere, from anybody, ever.

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff146 points·2 years ago

Proposed a rule change here with actual wording and it was adopted. That is the process working and it is not fast.

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u/hub_opsOPsite staff83 points·2 years ago

Had a post removed, went to modmail, got a specific explanation and disagreed with it politely. It stayed removed and I understood why.

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u/kian_solberg212 points·2 years ago

the archive-after-a-year policy is deliberate

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u/stablecoin_steve-21 points·2 years ago

vendor source pages link storefronts and the link is marked

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u/kasper_cabrera205 points·2 years ago

A rule-change proposal needs replacement wording because that is what can be evaluated. Without it there is nothing to compare against the current text.

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u/ewan_marchand162 points·2 years ago

Careful — that would make individual moderation cases public by default, which is worse for the person complaining.

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