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c/meta·posted 2 months ago by u/camila_marchand

[Question] meta — what am I missing here

Appeal Well Actually ×4

meta — what am I missing here. Searched first, found three threads that contradict each other, hence the post.

Complained about a rule without proposing anything and was politely pointed at this page. Fair.

Argued against the strict evidence rule for a year. Then read a supplier thread on another site and stopped arguing.

Sorted by controversial for a week and found four of the best threads I have read here.

I will update this if the picture changes rather than quietly leaving it up.

730 up / 50 down94% upvoted20 commentsid 1d2rpn12 May 2026

20 comments

18 in this archive, depth 4

best — the order this archive was captured in

u/prior_auth_painappeals85 points·2 months ago

What the ranking does, in case you assume it is hiding something.

The hot ordering combines the magnitude of a submission’s score with its age, so that a new post with moderate support can outrank an older one with more. The controversial ordering weights total vote volume by how evenly it splits, so a heavily contested thread rises above a small evenly-split one.

Both are published, and both are reproducible from the score and timestamp shown on every submission — one member here rebuilt the ordering in a spreadsheet to check. The consequence worth knowing is structural: feed position rewards early agreement, so the top comment is frequently not the best answer. Sorting by controversial occasionally is genuinely worth doing.

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u/camila_marchandOP56 points·2 months ago

modmail first, always, and the thread second

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u/enzo_danquah0 points·2 months ago

modmail first, always, and the thread second

Adding the practical note — the formula is published and you can reproduce the ordering yourself.

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u/malin_petrescu81 points·2 months ago

modmail first, always, and the thread second

Disagreeing with this bit: making individual cases public by default is worse for the person being moderated.

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u/emil_marchand24 points·2 months ago

Have you read the published formula, genuinely asking?

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u/rulebook_rachaelMOD81 points·2 months ago

Reminder that no referral or affiliate links are permitted anywhere, from anybody, ever.

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u/cold_chromatogram_only24 points·2 months ago

ranked feeds mean the top comment is not the best answer

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u/emeka_chowdhury38 points·2 months ago

the ranking formula is published, go and read it

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u/naomi_erdogan16 points·2 months ago

What would the new rule do to the vendor evidence standard?

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u/katrin_marchetti25 points·2 months ago

What breaks if we make that change?

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u/andres_dahlberg17 points·2 months ago

That is a complaint rather than a proposal. Bring wording and it can actually be discussed.

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[deleted]11 points·2 months ago

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u/rina_ferreira17 points·2 months ago

What breaks if we make that change?

This is the principle the whole site is built on. Publish it or do not enforce it.

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u/rosa_almeida8 points·2 months ago

Same view — strict evidence rules make this board slower and make the archive worth reading in three years.

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u/camila_marchandOP6 points·2 months ago

That is the controversial ordering, not the hot one. Different formula, different behaviour.

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u/enzo_petrescu19 points·2 months ago

Yes — a proposal with concrete wording gets discussed. A complaint about the rules in general does not.

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u/tomas_lundgren-9 points·2 months ago

What is the concrete wording you would replace it with?

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u/camila_kowalski1 point·2 months ago

I would not archive earlier. The old threads are the most-searched thing on the site.

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