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c/meta·posted 1 year ago by u/kenji_vasquez

[Discussion] the moderation advice in here is 3 years out of date

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the moderation advice in here is 3 years out of date, and I am aware this is a minority view on this board.

Hard numbers: 3 years. Anything softer than that is flagged as an impression.

Argued against the strict evidence rule for a year. Then read a supplier thread on another site and stopped arguing.

Sorted by controversial for a week and found four of the best threads I have read here.

Research-use-only material is not approved for human use and nothing here should be read as a recommendation to use it.

1,163 up / 145 down89% upvoted35 commentsid 1auol317 Apr 2025

35 comments

24 in this archive, depth 5

best — the order this archive was captured in

u/wanjiru_osei178 points·1 year ago

Moderation of individual cases happens in modmail rather than in threads, because a public discussion of one person’s removal is worse for that person than a private one.

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u/sanne_novak154 points·1 year ago

Complained about a rule without proposing anything and was politely pointed at this page. Fair.

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u/kenji_vasquezOP57 points·1 year ago

no referral links, no affiliate links, not once

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u/ismael_varga32 points·1 year ago

the wiki is editable by anybody with standing on the site

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u/emil_marchand14 points·1 year ago

removals get explained publicly where the rule allows it

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u/kenji_vasquezOP106 points·1 year ago

Correcting my own comment above: the proposal was adopted with an amendment, not as written.

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u/enzo_danquah28 points·1 year ago

Cosigning on the no-links rule. It is the only reason the pricing threads are trustworthy.

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[removed]79 points·1 year ago

[removed by moderator]

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u/camila_kowalski52 points·1 year ago

Right, and the storefront links on source pages are marked and disclosed, which is the honest way to do it.

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u/kian_solberg91 points·1 year ago

Not convinced by the proposal as worded. It would remove the specific thing that makes the vendor board usable.

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u/kenji_vasquezOP54 points·1 year ago·edited

sponsor disclosure is on the about page in full

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u/marta_trevino29 points·1 year ago

Disagree with loosening that. The evidence rule is why a supplier report here means something.

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u/lina_ndiaye24 points·1 year ago

the ranking formula is published, go and read it

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u/anders_karlsen61 points·1 year ago

Push back: the ranking is not hiding anything. The formula is published and you can reproduce the ordering.

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments47 points·1 year ago

What the ranking does, in case you assume it is hiding something.

The hot ordering combines the magnitude of a submission’s score with its age, so that a new post with moderate support can outrank an older one with more. The controversial ordering weights total vote volume by how evenly it splits, so a heavily contested thread rises above a small evenly-split one.

Both are published, and both are reproducible from the score and timestamp shown on every submission — one member here rebuilt the ordering in a spreadsheet to check. The consequence worth knowing is structural: feed position rewards early agreement, so the top comment is frequently not the best answer. Sorting by controversial occasionally is genuinely worth doing.

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u/halima_boateng13 points·1 year ago·edited

Agreed. Publishing the ranking formula is the difference between a feed and a black box, and it costs nothing to do.

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u/yannick_petrov3 points·1 year ago

This. Modmail first is not bureaucracy; it stops individual cases turning into a public pile-on.

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u/marit_mwangi29 points·1 year ago

Checked the sponsor disclosure because I assumed it would be vague. It was extremely specific and slightly boring.

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u/hub_opsMOD21 points·1 year ago

Moved to modmail. Individual removals get a specific answer there rather than a public thread.

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u/sanne_novak30 points·1 year ago

Had a post removed, went to modmail, got a specific explanation and disagreed with it politely. It stayed removed and I understood why.

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u/camila_kowalski25 points·1 year ago

Read the ranking formula out of scepticism and reproduced the ordering in a spreadsheet. It does what it says.

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u/joaquin_wojcik18 points·1 year ago

ranked feeds mean the top comment is not the best answer

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u/wanjiru_osei10 points·1 year ago

Have you read the published formula, genuinely asking?

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u/kenji_vasquez-17 points·1 year ago

Proposed a rule change here with actual wording and it was adopted. That is the process working and it is not fast.

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