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my hs-CRP moved and I cannot work out whether dose stretching is why

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my hs-CRP moved and I cannot work out whether dose stretching is why, and I am aware this is a minority view on this board.

What maintenance actually looks like, from the people on this board who have been in it longest.

You find a dose or an interval that holds the weight with side effects you barely notice, and then you stop optimising. Weigh monthly rather than daily. Expect a couple of kilos of range and do not act on it. Keep the habits that did the work in the losing phase, because they are the part that has to outlive the dose.

The most common mistake described here is treating arrival as a plateau and pushing the dose to chase a number chosen at week one by a person who did not yet know what maintenance felt like.

On stopping, since it is the question underneath most posts here.

Withdrawal studies in this class show substantial regain after discontinuation, consistently, across compounds. Appetite returns first, typically well before the scale moves. That is a statement about the pharmacology of a chronic condition, not about anybody’s character, and the framing matters because people quit in shame over an entirely predictable result.

If you are going to stop — for cost, for supply, for any reason — the useful preparation is deciding in advance what you will watch for and what your plan is when appetite comes back. Doing that in advance is much easier than doing it in a panic, and it is a conversation to have with someone who knows your history.

The two levers, described properly, because this board mixes them up constantly.

Reducing the dose lowers average exposure while keeping the weekly rhythm. Stretching the interval keeps the dose but lowers the trough between injections, which — with a week-long half-life — is why people notice appetite returning towards the end of a stretched cycle before they see anything on the scale.

The reported pattern here is stretching in small steps, a week to ten days to twelve, with appetite as the signal rather than the scale. Some people find dose reduction more comfortable. Neither is a schedule anybody here can hand you, and the fact that this phase has the least published guidance is exactly why board consensus deserves less weight than usual.

That is everything I have. The rest is opinion and I have tried to keep it out.

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u/food_noise_goneMOD415 points·2 years ago

Retitled — this is maintenance, not a plateau, and the original framing was doing damage.

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u/enzo_danquah326 points·2 years ago

Appetite returning before the scale moves follows from the mechanism: the appetite effect is the proximal one and weight is the lagging integrated outcome.

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u/mod_cold_roommod · c/coldchain101 points·2 years ago

a few kilos of drift is not a relapse

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u/omar_eriksen33 points·2 years ago

monthly weigh-ins are enough at this stage

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u/brigade_detector8 points·2 years ago

Been at maintenance for 18 months on 7.5mg. Nothing happens. That is the whole report and it took me a while to accept it as success.

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u/hugo_norgaard231 points·2 years ago·edited

Withdrawal studies in this class consistently show substantial regain after discontinuation. That is a pharmacological finding about a chronic condition, not a statement about anyone’s discipline.

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u/nnt_nate-11 points·2 years ago

the trials that looked at withdrawal are unambiguous about what follows

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u/salma_almeida110 points·2 years ago

Withdrawal studies in this class consistently show substantial regain after discontinuation.

Disagreeing with this bit: a two-kilo range is not drift and treating it as a problem creates one.

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u/kaplan_meier_kim161 points·2 years ago

seven days to ten to twelve is the sequence people here describe

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u/transit_variance53 points·2 years ago

regain after stopping is the expected outcome, not a personal failure

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u/mass_spec_maggieMS22 points·2 years ago

the habits are the part that has to outlive the dose

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