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c/insurancefights·posted 1 year ago by u/jarno_adeyemi

France: appeal, and what it actually costs here

Appeal Slow Clap ×7 Well Actually ×3

France: appeal, and what it actually costs here, which sounds obvious until you try to state the evidence for it.

New plan year, entirely new criteria, and the denial that had been immovable in the autumn simply did not apply in January.

The process that has actually worked for people on this board, in order.

Get the denial in writing and find the criterion it names. Request the clinical policy bulletin by its number. Write the appeal against that document, criterion by criterion, attaching what has been tried and for how long. Note the deadline from the letter date and diarise it.

If the first level fails, go to the second. If the second fails, ask about external review, which is independent and, where it applies, binding. Keep every date, department and reference number as you go.

It is administrative rather than rhetorical, and the people who win are the ones who treat it that way.

Documented eighteen months of what had been tried in a one-page table. That table was the appeal.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/vito_beaulieu470 points·1 year ago

A denial letter is required to state a reason and to reference the criterion applied. That reference is the handle: request the clinical policy document by its identifier and answer it point by point.

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u/RetaAndRegret2391 points·1 year ago

Have you asked for the clinical policy bulletin by number?

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u/controversial_only264 points·1 year ago

the formulary is published, read it before you appeal

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u/idris_iyer119 points·1 year ago

Yes. Written, always, even when they tell you a phone call is sufficient.

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u/jarno_adeyemiOP88 points·1 year ago

Peer-to-peer took fifteen minutes and resolved something a written appeal had been sitting on for a month.

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u/ignacio_vanhecke76 points·1 year ago

Right, and keeping every date and reference number turns a frustrating process into an auditable one.

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u/marta_marchand62 points·1 year ago

Right, and keeping every date and reference number turns a frustrating process into an auditable one.

Adding the underused one — external review. Independent, binding where it applies, and hardly anybody gets that far.

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u/adaeze_cabrera22 points·1 year ago

keep every date, every reference number, every name of a department

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u/amira_dumitru63 points·1 year ago·edited

Employer-sponsored plans may be regulated differently from individually purchased ones, which changes both the appeal route and which regulator hears a complaint.

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u/saskia_lokken17 points·1 year ago

Agreed. The denial letter tells you which criterion failed, and answering that specific criterion is the entire job.

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u/cato_achebe13 points·1 year ago

prior authorisation criteria change every plan year

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u/ilias_cabrera5 points·1 year ago

external review exists and almost nobody uses it

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u/prior_auth_painappeals35 points·1 year ago

Why step therapy denials feel unfair and are nonetheless beatable.

The requirement is that documented trials of preferred alternatives exist. It is a record-keeping standard, not a clinical judgement about you, which is why arguing the clinical merits rarely moves it and producing dates and durations often does.

What to assemble: what was tried, at what dose, for how long, and what the documented outcome was. A one-page table with dates beats three pages of prose every time. Where a trial is contraindicated rather than simply unsuccessful, that needs to be stated explicitly by the prescriber in those terms.

None of this is legal or medical advice — it is what the threads here have found works.

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u/appeal_letter_alMOD25 points·1 year ago·edited

Left up. It carries dates, a criterion and an outcome, which is what makes these threads useful.

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u/amira_dumitru9 points·1 year ago·edited

Yes — quoting their own policy bulletin back at them is far more effective than arguing in general terms.

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u/elise_grimaldi3 points·1 year ago

Yes — quoting their own policy bulletin back at them is far more effective than arguing in general terms.

This is the whole method. Answer the criterion they named, not the decision in general.

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u/elin_lindqvist33 points·1 year ago·edited

Push back: your plan is an employer plan, which changes both the appeal path and who the regulator is.

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u/amira_dumitru8 points·1 year ago

Push back: your plan is an employer plan, which changes both the appeal path and who the regulator is.

Disagreeing with this line: the deadline runs from the letter date and treating it otherwise is expensive.

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u/hedda_aguirre20 points·1 year ago

Agreed on the plan-year point. Criteria that applied last year may simply not apply now.

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u/jarno_adeyemiOP15 points·1 year ago

Employer plan or individual plan?

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