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c/hplc·posted 2 years ago by u/week_four_wall

[Lab] KP cagri — VendorInvestigate came back 98.1% against a claimed 97.5%

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Title says it — KP cagri — VendorInvestigate came back 98.1% against a claimed 97.5% — so here is the boring supporting detail that makes it worth anything.

98.1% and 97.5% — those are the numbers, and they are the ones I am willing to defend.

A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve cannot be quantified honestly. You can report it as an unresolved shoulder, which is useful information, or you can develop the method until it resolves.

Mass spectrometry answers identity. UV purity answers relative quantity under the run conditions. A document with one and not the other is answering half the question, and the half it answers should be stated.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/ravi_bergstrom1.2k points·2 years ago

System suitability — repeat injections, tailing factor, plate count, RSD on area — is what tells you the instrument was fit for the measurement that day. Without it, the purity figure is unanchored.

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u/week_four_wallOP527 points·2 years ago

214nm sees the peptide bond, 280nm sees the aromatics

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u/chain_confirm_cpayments-21 points·2 years ago

Right. And a blank between injections settles the carryover argument before it starts.

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u/fatima_yildiz1 point·2 years ago

Started reporting my own integrations with the baseline choice stated. Arguments in my threads dropped by about half.

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u/santiago_villalobos1 point·2 years ago

you cannot report to two decimals off that baseline

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u/reverse_image_ron1 point·2 years ago

Yes. Retention time is a hypothesis about identity. Mass is the answer.

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u/rasmus_petrescu421 points·2 years ago·edited

Carryover from a previous high-concentration injection looks exactly like a small impurity. The blank injection is four minutes and it removes the ambiguity entirely.

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u/micro_bump_mick0 points·2 years ago

UV response is not uniform across species. At 214nm you are looking at the peptide bond, which is why it is the working wavelength for this class; at 280nm you only see tryptophan, tyrosine and phenylalanine.

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u/georgi_chowdhury1 point·2 years ago·edited

Chased a ghost peak for three weeks. It was the plumbing. It is always the plumbing.

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u/mass_spec_maggieMS1 point·2 years ago

This. A shoulder that does not baseline-resolve is a question, not a quantity.

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u/matias_salgado1 point·2 years ago

baseline choice is a decision, not a measurement

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u/marit_mensa263 points·2 years ago

two labs, two gradients, two honest answers

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u/saskia_bakker143 points·2 years ago

Careful — you are treating retention time as identity. Two things can co-elute and the trace will not tell you.

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u/naomi_antonsen72 points·2 years ago

Resolution between two peaks depends on retention, selectivity and efficiency. A shallower gradient buys retention and usually resolution, at the cost of peak width and run time.

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u/marit_mensa162 points·2 years ago

Sent the same vial to Medutest and VendorInvestigate. 98.8% against a claimed 98.0%. The difference was the gradient, not the material.

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u/aksel_palacios110 points·2 years ago

That figure cannot be quoted to two decimals off that baseline. The precision is not in the data.

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u/hazard_ratio_halstats29 points·2 years ago

Same view — reporting the gradient is what makes a result checkable rather than merely stated.

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u/erez_yilmaz8 points·2 years ago

Area percent is the integrated area of your peak over the total integrated area at one wavelength on one gradient. Change any of those and the number changes without the sample changing.

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u/blunt_coldbox_20243 points·2 years ago

Cosigning the wavelength point. Half the disagreements in this board are two people looking at different detectors.

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u/peak_area_peteMOD63 points·2 years ago

Left up. The integration disagreement in this thread is the most useful thing on the board this week.

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u/rosa_sandvik22 points·2 years ago

Agreed, and it is why SWB printing the column and gradient on the certificate is genuinely useful rather than decorative.

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u/dead_space_doug15 points·2 years ago

Gave the same trace to two people I trust and got two integrations about a point apart. That was the most educational afternoon I have had here.

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u/egfr_watcher11 points·2 years ago

report the method or do not report the number

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u/camila_lindqvist9 points·2 years ago

How old is the column and roughly how many injections has it seen?

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u/georgi_chowdhury16 points·2 years ago

the column has a history and it shows in the peak shape

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u/fatima_yildiz5 points·2 years ago

integration decisions move the number more than the sample does

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u/teodor_szabo129 points·2 years ago

system suitability before you believe any number on the run

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u/phase_two_pete73 points·2 years ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 210. It matters for the comparison you are making with the other run.

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u/sofia_petrescu122 points·2 years ago

area percent is relative to what the detector saw and nothing else

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