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c/glp1science·submitted 2 months ago by u/karma_irrelevant

[Discussion] we are measuring appetite at the wrong time and calling it noise

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Thinking out loud about this: we are measuring appetite at the wrong time and calling it noise. The GIP question, which is the most interesting unsettled thing in this field. Dual agonism at GIP and GLP-1 receptors produces clinical results that are robust and well replicated. What is not settled is the mechanism by…

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u/split_dose_sceptic41 points·2 months ago

Careful — you have a plausible mechanism and no evidence that it is the operative one in the case you are describing.

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u/aleksi_lehtinen14 points·2 months ago

receptor distribution is why the side effects are where they are

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u/karma_irrelevantOP11 points·2 months ago

GIP is the arm people argue about because the biology is genuinely unsettled

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u/rina_bergstrom8 points·2 months ago

Are we talking about receptor affinity or clinical potency?

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u/rohan_steiner3 points·2 months ago

glucagon agonism sounds paradoxical until you read the energy expenditure work

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u/plain_titration8 points·2 months ago

GIP is the arm people argue about because the biology is genuinely unsettled

Agreed — and it is why the central and peripheral stories are complementary rather than rival.

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u/whois_wanda9 points·2 months ago·edited

Correction: that is glucose-dependent insulin secretion, which is why hypoglycaemia risk is low as monotherapy. Not the same claim as you made.

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u/emeka_chowdhury7 points·2 months ago

tolerance to the gastric effect develops, appetite effect largely persists

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u/gradient_goblin23 points·2 months ago

Careful — you have a plausible mechanism and no evidence that it is the operative one in the case you are describing.

split_dose_sceptic is right that mechanism gives direction and not magnitude. Worth pinning.

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u/ismael_eriksen12 points·2 months ago·edited

mechanism explains a direction, not a magnitude

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u/camila_lindqvist7 points·2 months ago·edited

receptor agonism is not the same as receptor activation in every tissue

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u/amara_dziedzic3 points·2 months ago

Receptor expression in a tissue is necessary but not sufficient for an effect. You also need the agonist to reach it at relevant exposure, and that is where a lot of confident mechanism talk falls down.

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u/split_dose_sceptic2 points·2 months ago

Correcting my own comment: I attributed that to the GIP arm and the paper attributes it to the GLP-1 arm.

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