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c/glp1eu·posted 2 years ago by u/dario_petrescu

the Apotheke thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

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Something I keep coming back to: the Apotheke thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down.

Pack sizes and presentations differ between member states, so a headline price is not comparable until it is normalised to a common quantity.

Supply notices are issued nationally. A notice in one member state does not imply availability problems in another, even for the same product.

Published reimbursement criteria exist in most member states and are usually available in the national language. They are the authoritative answer to eligibility questions that this board can only guess at.

Happy to answer the boring questions. Those are usually the ones worth asking.

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u/diego_iyer626 points·2 years ago

Cross-border prescription recognition exists under EU rules but is conditional and narrower than commonly assumed, with requirements about the prescription’s form and content.

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u/mikkel_correia-37 points·2 years ago

Nothing here is medical or legal advice, and eligibility questions have national answers that a pharmacist where you live can give you in minutes.

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u/patient_labslip_log1 point·2 years ago

The variation between pharmacies inside my own country was larger than the variation I had been chasing across the border.

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u/ignacio_vanhecke0 points·2 years ago

Are you comparing the same presentation, or different pack sizes?

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u/nabila_ogunleye1 point·2 years ago

Are you comparing the same presentation, or different pack sizes?

This is the split the whole board depends on. Authorisation is European; payment is national.

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u/dario_petrescu392 points·2 years ago

Agreed that pharmacy margin regulation explains a lot of the price differences people find mysterious.

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u/solene_ilunga290 points·2 years ago

private pricing varies enormously between neighbouring countries

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u/dario_petrescuOP0 points·2 years ago

Which member state?

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u/priya_palacios137 points·2 years ago

What does the local patient information leaflet say?

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u/nabila_ogunleye44 points·2 years ago

EU-wide advice is almost always wrong somewhere

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u/vomit_free_since0 points·2 years ago

What does the local patient information leaflet say?

Disagreeing with this bit: that criterion belongs to one member state and is being quoted as general.

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u/priya_guerrero49 points·2 years ago

Careful, that guidance is from a different country and this thread is asking about somewhere else entirely.

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u/marisol_kravchenko15 points·2 years ago

the reimbursement criteria are published in most member states

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u/eu_apotheke_a39 points·2 years ago

Disagree. That is one member state’s reimbursement rule and it does not generalise across the union.

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u/enzo_petrescu19 points·2 years ago

Yes. Pack sizes differ enough that per-month price comparisons across borders need to be normalised before they mean anything.

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u/camila_marchand5 points·2 years ago

Marketing authorisation is granted centrally for these products; reimbursement, pricing and prescribing criteria are national competences. Those are decided by different bodies with different processes.

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u/priya_guerrero27 points·2 years ago

Is the prescription from the same country as the pharmacy?

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u/no_refunds_nr40 points·2 years ago

ask for the Beipackzettel or the local equivalent, it answers most questions

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u/renal_outcomes_rnephro-curious128 points·2 years ago

How to compare prices across borders without misleading yourself.

Normalise the pack size first. Presentations differ between member states and a headline figure for one pack is not comparable to another. Then separate reimbursed from private prices, which are set by entirely different mechanisms. Then note the dispensing fee structure, which is nationally regulated.

When members here have done all three, the interesting finding has consistently been that variation between pharmacies within a country is often as large as the variation between countries — which makes the cross-border shopping most of these threads are really about far less attractive than it looks.

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u/nordic_pricing59 points·2 years ago

How to compare prices across borders without misleading yourself.

Agreed — and normalising pack size before comparing prices is the fix for half these threads.

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u/dario_petrescuOP42 points·2 years ago

the same product has different names and pack sizes across the union

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u/bruno_dumitru95 points·2 years ago

That is an authorisation question and you have answered a reimbursement one. They are decided by different bodies.

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u/dario_petrescuOP62 points·2 years ago

Correcting myself upthread: the criterion I quoted was updated for this year.

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u/mikkel_correia42 points·2 years ago

Agreed — authorisation is European, reimbursement is national, and almost every confused thread here misses that split.

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u/sten_bhattacharya11 points·2 years ago

Pharmacy margins and dispensing fees are regulated nationally, which explains price differences that otherwise look arbitrary.

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u/joaquin_trevino7 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is the authorisation position, and the question was about reimbursement. Different bodies, different answers.

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u/greta_nilsen47 points·2 years ago

say which country or the thread is useless

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