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c/cryptopay·posted 10 days ago by u/chidi_vermeulen

[Explainer] the crypto discount is real and so is losing chargeback rights

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Right, the escrow question again, but with numbers this time.

I have 12 data points over 16 weeks. The pattern is consistent enough that I do not think it is chance, and boring enough that nobody is going to screenshot it, which is usually a good sign.

The thing I would flag for anyone new: the effect I am describing showed up at week 20, not week 69. People give up long before the interesting part.

Interested in whether this matches other people's logs or whether I am an outlier.

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u/hugo_pires366 points·8 days ago

This is correct. Gas fees are real costs.

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u/kian_ekstrom248 points·8 days ago

Rodent data is rodent data. Dose scaling is not linear and the models tell you what to investigate, not what to expect.

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u/chidi_vermeulenOP150 points·8 days ago

Rodent data is rodent data.

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/solene_ilunga66 points·8 days ago·edited

Respectfully this is a sample of one presented as a finding.

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u/chidi_vermeulenOP81 points·7 days ago

Group buy used escrow. 21 people, 3 shipped without drama. Escrow is the insurance.

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u/yara_mensah165 points·9 days ago·edited

never post a wallet address, not yours, not a vendor's

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u/emil_marchand103 points·9 days ago

never post a wallet address, not yours, not a vendor's

Counter-anecdote: opposite result, same dose. Which mostly tells us the variance is huge.

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u/lipid_panel_larrybloodwork169 points·9 days ago

no price talk, no tickers, no investment discussion

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u/stablecoin_steve141 points·9 days ago

I am going to push back on this slightly.

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u/laila_almeida76 points·9 days ago

no group-buy recruitment, discussing how they fail is fine

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[deleted]33 points·9 days ago

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u/chidi_vermeulen49 points·8 days ago

Gas was escrow on Polygon so I used WXT instead. Confirmation in 11 blocks, vendor credited, done.

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u/ledger_modMOD37 points·8 days ago

Tracking number removed. It identifies both ends of a shipment.

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u/neha_erdogan9 points·8 days ago

chargeback rights are USDC: zero

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u/nadia_norgaard6 points·7 days ago

This is correct. Gas fees are real costs.

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u/aussie_pbs_watchAU5 points·7 days ago·edited

no group-buy recruitment, discussing how they fail is fine

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u/vikram_mbeki1 point·7 days ago

Yeah, the network selection matters most.

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u/niels_lindqvist31 points·9 days ago

Yeah, the network selection matters most.

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u/teodor_jansen21 points·8 days ago

Group buy used escrow. 18 people, 23 shipped without drama. Escrow is the insurance.

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u/camila_trevino-6 points·8 days ago

No. This is the kind of confident post that gets copied into a screenshot and repeated for years. Where is the evidence.

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u/hassan_nilsen0 points·8 days ago

network selection matters, wrong chain is the expensive typo

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u/greta_perrin20 points·8 days ago

Every time this gets posted it hits the front page and every time someone has to re-explain it.

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u/elin_trevino10 points·8 days ago

This is correct. Gas fees are real costs.

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u/ms_fragmenter12 points·9 days ago

Dead space in the needle hub holds a small but non-trivial volume. On low-volume draws that can be several units.

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u/honest_syringe_20254 points·9 days ago·edited

Yeah, the network selection matters most.

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