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c/coldchain·posted 9 months ago by u/cato_batista

why does nobody talk about excursion

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The title is the whole question — why does nobody talk about excursion — but here is why I am asking.

You cannot infer potency from a temperature record. The record tells you what happened to the box; only a test tells you what happened to the material.

Regional stock changes the question rather than answering it: shorter lanes mean less exposure and fewer variables, which is why the warehouse question is worth asking before ordering in summer.

A transit temperature logger records a distribution, and time above a threshold matters as much as peak temperature. That is the argument for logging rather than guessing.

Ask me anything specific. Anything general I will probably get wrong.

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u/india_generic_g223 points·9 months ago

What actually matters, in order, because these threads always start at the wrong end.

State first: dry powder is comparatively robust, reconstituted solution is not. Most of the anxiety here is about powder and most of the real risk is about solution.

Then evidence: a warm gel pack is evidence about the pack. A logger is evidence about the box. Only a test is evidence about the material. People routinely reason from the first to the third and it does not follow.

Then prevention, which is dull and effective: shorter lanes where regional stock exists, rigid packaging, the middle of the fridge rather than the door, and the reconstitution date written on the glass.

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u/cato_batistaOP166 points·9 months ago

lyophilised powder is far more forgiving than the panic threads suggest

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u/runa_wikstrom0 points·9 months ago

Lyophilisation removes the water that drives most degradation pathways. That is why the dry cake is comparatively robust and the reconstituted solution is not.

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u/andres_restrepo94 points·9 months ago

Gel packs are designed for a duty cycle. A liquid pack at the end of a longer-than-expected transit is a pack behaving as specified, not evidence of an excursion in the vial.

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u/kian_ekstrom0 points·9 months ago

Gel packs are designed for a duty cycle.

This is the distinction that resolves most threads here — powder and solution are different problems.

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u/creatine_and_cardio0 points·9 months ago

This is the distinction that resolves most threads here — powder and solution are different problems.

Agreed, and a logger costs less than the vial you are worrying about.

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u/dario_bakken1 point·9 months ago

That is the ambient temperature at the destination, not the temperature inside the box. The logger measures the second one.

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u/vito_chowdhury76 points·9 months ago·edited

Was there a logger in the box?

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u/ewan_tulloch48 points·9 months ago

Yes — a logger in the box turns a fortnight of speculation into a chart.

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u/ice_pack_auditcold chain77 points·9 months ago

Ordered from the warehouse in France instead of origin and the transit went from a fortnight to 9 days. Entirely different proposition in August.

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u/certified_referenceQC38 points·9 months ago

Push back: you cannot infer degradation from a temperature excursion alone. That is what testing is for.

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u/maren_sorensen25 points·9 months ago

Ordered from the warehouse in France instead of origin and the transit went from a fortnight to 9 days.

Disagreeing with this line only: freezing a reconstituted vial is not a safe default.

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