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c/coa·posted 2 years ago by u/freya_baptista

how much of what we believe about batch actually comes from related substances threads

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how much of what we believe about batch actually comes from related substances threads — that is what I am asking, and I have already read the wiki twice.

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

The PDF creation date being later than the analysis date is usually a re-issue or a re-export. It is worth one question and it is not evidence of anything on its own.

Asked QST for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

Screenshot none of this. Read the whole thread, including the parts where I am told I am wrong.

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u/receptor_bias_rick0 points·2 years ago

Net peptide content is the fraction of the powder that is actually peptide once counterion, water and residual solvent are accounted for. A 99% pure acetate salt can still be about 85% peptide by mass.

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u/janek_ferrari1 point·2 years ago

Area percent is the peak area of your compound over the total integrated area, at one wavelength, on one gradient. It is a relative measure of what the detector saw, not a mass fraction of the vial.

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u/sunday_shot_sal367 points·2 years ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/freya_baptistaOP220 points·2 years ago·edited

What does the method line actually say? Not the technique — the column and the gradient.

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u/anecdata_annie146 points·2 years ago

What does the method line actually say?

Disagree on this specific point. Two honest labs can resolve that impurity differently and report different numbers.

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u/sunday_shot_sal171 points·2 years ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/stablecoin_steve133 points·2 years ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/mikkel_correia229 points·2 years ago

a certificate with no method line is decorative

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u/laila_yilmaz296 points·2 years ago

Did you ask for the batch-specific document, or is this the catalogue one?

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u/freya_baptistaOP107 points·2 years ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/anya_moreau89 points·2 years ago

Right, and net peptide content is where the counterion and the water go. Both numbers can be honest and very different.

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u/clara_danquah25 points·2 years ago

Same view. FGP prints the column and the gradient, which means somebody could actually reproduce the run.

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u/amara_halonen198 points·2 years ago

Yes — and the reason to ask for the whole page is that the interesting parts are the ones people crop out to fit a screenshot.

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u/kavya_verhoeven215 points·2 years ago

Pushing back a little: a missing field is usually presentation, not concealment. Ask for the full document before drawing conclusions.

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u/cato_achebe133 points·2 years ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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u/hugo_bergstrom35 points·2 years ago

Did you get the chromatogram or only the summary line?

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u/priya_palacios18 points·2 years ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/tomas_lehtinen10 points·2 years ago

area% is not mass%, and the difference is the whole game

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u/hassan_chowdhury5 points·2 years ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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u/anya_correia19 points·2 years ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/noor_cardoso158 points·2 years ago

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch60 points·2 years ago

Does the lot on the vial match the lot on the page?

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u/certified_referenceMOD105 points·2 years ago

Left up and flaired Explainer. This is the answer we keep linking, written properly.

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u/bastian_moreau86 points·2 years ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/yannick_haddad45 points·2 years ago

the counterion is part of the mass you paid for

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u/soren_nkemelu11 points·2 years ago

Are the related substances itemised or is it a single total?

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u/freya_baptistaOP8 points·2 years ago

Batch number and date of analysis, are both on there?

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u/ghrp_history7 points·2 years ago

Careful — "the metadata looks odd" is a reason to ask a question, not a conclusion. Re-issues are ordinary.

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u/gastric_emptying_g65 points·2 years ago

water content is on there and everyone skips it

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