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c/coa·posted 2 months ago by u/isabela_nilsen

the related substances thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down

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Posting this as a discussion rather than a claim: the related substances thing finally clicked for me and I want to write it down.

The document I was worried about turned out to be a re-issue with a later creation date. Asked, got the original, entirely ordinary.

Sent one vial to Medutest and Janoshik. 98.4% and a claimed 97.5%. Cost me more than the vial and I would do it again.

LC-MS gives you identity; UV purity gives you a relative quantity. A document with the first and not the second, or the reverse, is answering half the question.

Would rather be corrected in public than confident in private.

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u/purity_pedantMOD163 points·2 months ago

Left up and flaired Explainer. This is the answer we keep linking, written properly.

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u/ahmed_rasmussen51 points·2 months ago

Small fix — 214nm, not 280nm. It matters here because the impurity you are asking about barely absorbs at the longer wavelength.

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u/kavya_verhoeven-28 points·2 months ago

Related substances itemised individually is a much stronger document than a single total, because it tells you the shape of the impurity profile rather than its size.

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u/isabela_nilsenOP1 point·2 months ago

the related substances line is where the story is

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u/milos_trevino1 point·2 months ago

Yes. The structure of the document matters at least as much as the number printed on it.

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u/meera_sandvik1 point·2 months ago

post the whole document, not the headline number

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u/foam_head_fred1 point·2 months ago

Disagree that a lower number is automatically worse. A conservative claim that survives testing is worth more than an optimistic one that does not.

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u/dario_boateng1 point·2 months ago

My first certificate had a compound name, a percentage and a logo. I thought that was normal. It is not, and now I know what to ask for.

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u/anya_moreau63 points·2 months ago

Spent four months confusing area% and mass% in every post I made here. One explainer thread and it clicked permanently.

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u/step_therapy_s39 points·2 months ago

the counterion is part of the mass you paid for

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch30 points·2 months ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent. The ones that itemise impurities are a small group and they are mostly the same suppliers.

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u/isabela_nilsenOP23 points·2 months ago

Started keeping a folder of every certificate I have been sent.

Agreed, and the practical version is: ask for the itemised table. If it exists, you get it.

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u/milos_trevino6 points·2 months ago

water content is on there and everyone skips it

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u/india_generic_g6 points·2 months ago

net peptide content and purity are two different numbers on the same vial

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u/amylin_amyamylin4 points·2 months ago

Area percent or net peptide content? They answer different questions.

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u/dead_space_doug22 points·2 months ago

Ask what the stability statement was written against — temperature, light, and whether it was the lyophilised powder or the reconstituted solution. Those are three different claims.

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u/isabela_nilsenOP9 points·2 months ago

Asked GGPeps for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours. That is now my baseline for everybody.

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u/ghrp_history4 points·2 months ago

Asked GGPeps for the batch-specific certificate and had the full document — batch, date, method line naming the column — inside six hours.

Disagree on this specific point. Two honest labs can resolve that impurity differently and report different numbers.

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u/laila_wojcik3 points·2 months ago

Correction: that is net peptide content, not purity. Different number, different meaning, and the document says so if you read the row label.

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u/nikhil_lindqvist5 points·2 months ago

Is water content on the document? It changes your concentration arithmetic.

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u/dead_space_doug4 points·2 months ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

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u/yara_antonsen2 points·2 months ago

ask for the storage condition the stability statement was written against

Adding the bit that always gets missed: the lot on the vial has to match the lot on the page, or none of this applies to your material.

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u/wanjiru_varga1 point·2 months ago

That is the catalogue certificate rather than the batch-specific one. Same layout, completely different status.

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u/gallbladder_gary6 points·2 months ago

redact your own name, never the batch details

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u/yannick_haddad32 points·2 months ago

UV at 214nm sees the peptide bond and picks up almost everything; at 280nm you are looking at aromatics only. Which wavelength the number came from is part of the number.

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u/emil_agyeman26 points·2 months ago

Not quite. Two labs with different gradients can resolve a close-eluting impurity differently and both be reporting honestly.

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u/wanjiru_varga15 points·2 months ago·edited

Not quite.

emil_agyeman has the distinction right — one is a fraction of the detector signal, the other is a fraction of the mass.

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u/chidi_demir9 points·2 months ago

a total of 0.4% tells you less than four named impurities adding to 0.6%

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u/coa_janitormod · c/coa7 points·2 months ago

identity and quantity are two questions and most documents answer one

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