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c/bloodwork·posted 2 months ago by u/lina_almeida

unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about baseline labs are guesswork

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The title is the argument: unpopular opinion: most of what gets said here about baseline labs are guesswork. Here is the rest of it.

Reference intervals are typically the central 95% of a reference population. By construction one person in twenty falls outside one on any given test without anything being wrong.

The confounding problem, stated plainly, because this board keeps stepping on it.

Substantial weight loss moves lipids, liver enzymes, insulin sensitivity markers and several others in its own right. If you are losing weight while taking something, any change in those markers has at least two candidate explanations and you cannot separate them from your own panel.

What you can do is standardise, take a baseline, keep the series long, and be honest in your posts about what is and is not attributable. The threads that say "this compound did X to my ALT" almost never have the design to support the claim, mine included.

Repeat testing before acting is standard practice for a reason: regression to the mean does a lot of work on single outlying values.

Please do not ask me what dose you should be on. I genuinely do not know and neither does anyone else here.

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u/laila_yilmaz108 points·2 months ago·edited

Substantial weight loss independently moves lipids, liver enzymes and several other markers. Attributing a change to a compound while losing weight is confounded by design.

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u/lina_almeida60 points·2 months ago

Same lab as the previous draw?

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u/a1c_arcMOD32 points·2 months ago

Left up. It is a question about how to compare panels, not a request for interpretation.

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u/india_generic_g13 points·2 months ago

Yes. Repeat before you react. Almost every alarming single value I have posted here regressed on the repeat.

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u/thermal_mass_tom53 points·2 months ago·edited

Not convinced by the attribution. Weight loss alone moves that marker and you have no way to separate the two.

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u/customs_seizure_sid45 points·2 months ago

the trend line matters more than any single value

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u/nikhil_asante0 points·2 months ago

What did the repeat show?

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u/rekha_mwangi22 points·2 months ago

Nobody here can interpret your panel and this comment is not doing so. What a board can usefully do is help you ask better questions of somebody who can.

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u/diego_almeida16 points·2 months ago

Brought the whole set to my clinician rather than one flagged value. Completely different conversation.

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u/nabila_bakken7 points·2 months ago

lab reference ranges are not treatment targets

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u/hedda_adeyemi14 points·2 months ago

Different laboratories use different assay platforms with different calibration. Comparing across labs adds a systematic offset that is invisible on the report.

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u/yara_antonsen10 points·2 months ago

Added ApoB to the panel after a thread here. It told me something the standard lipid panel had been hiding.

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u/cold_chromatogram3110 points·2 months ago

Right, and weight loss itself moves several markers, so attribution is harder than these threads assume.

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u/liver_enzyme_liz4 points·2 months ago

same lab, same conditions, or you are comparing noise

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u/chidi_abubakar14 points·2 months ago

Same view — ApoB if you add one thing. It answers a question the standard panel only gestures at.

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u/burned_once_twice9 points·2 months ago

Correction: that marker is reported in different units by different labs, which explains the tenfold difference you are seeing.

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u/customs_seizure_sid1 point·2 months ago

one measurement is a point, two is a line, three is a trend

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u/karl_fischer_kev6 points·2 months ago

That is a non-fasting value and the interval you are comparing it against is a fasting one.

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u/anders_vermeulen20 points·2 months ago

Took a baseline the week before starting purely because this board told me to. Best five minutes I have spent on this.

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u/ravi_sandvik10 points·2 months ago

weight loss itself moves several of these independently

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u/india_generic_g24 points·2 months ago

ApoB is the one worth adding if you only add one

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u/tidy_vialdrawer_watch11 points·2 months ago

Time of day, fasting state, hydration and recent exercise all move common markers. Standardising the draw conditions is free and it removes most of the apparent variability.

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u/hugo_pires-7 points·2 months ago

ApoB counts atherogenic particles rather than the cholesterol they carry, which is why it can diverge from LDL-C and why it is the addition most worth making.

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